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In UNITY Lies STRENGTH
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One Nation, One People, One Destiny
BE THOU FOREVER, MOTHER LANKA!
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Rally around the Lion Flag,
The Red, and the Gold, in Hue!
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Patriots Staunch and True,
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The Red, and the Gold, in Hue!
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Patriots Near and Far!
Loudly Let the Echoes Ring,
For All We Have, and Are!
Esto Perpetua!
Esto Perpetua!
Esto Perpetua!
The Red and Gold Lion Flag, Forever!
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341 comments:
1 – 200 of 341 Newer› Newest»This kachchathivu...
Can't we sandmine it something and make it disappear?
thambala,
the only lasting solution is for india to dregde the sethu canal.
then all these problems will be over. no sex in high seas between tamil madu and tamil elam weapons smuggles too.
at fcuking last!!
after almost one year of BULLSHITING, govt has finally got interested in the lasantha investigation.
it has been transfered to the CID.
only now the proper investigation begins.
lasantha is a JPB but his killer is fast becoming a JPB too.
hopefully by lasantha's aniversary, his killer will be behind bars at least until the election is over!!!
its also good time to investigate the attack on MTV.
what a fool to attack it with his own bodyguards????
those who don't agree with me..........excuse me. ppl know things. fortunately or unfortunately most SLs cannot keep their mouths shut especially when it comes to widely publicised events.
the lasantha killer will be killed by the bugger who gave the contract pretty soon.
but he cannot do the same to the 10+ fellows who attacked MTV.
so govt should immediately get into that investigation too.
Its nice to see all you guys here, Patriots, non patriots, diasporians, Ordinary game sri lankans etc. DW seems to be on full time election duty pasting posters and taking kappam!
Reading this blog it seems like MR is going to win and SF is going to get humiliated. The blog world and the ground reality may be different. May be not. I'll soon find out when i visit Mother Lanka in a week. Over the phone all my friends seems to be depressed. They simply don't care who wins. All they think about is economy. Not as a country, but personal economy.
All they think about is a flashy car, air conditioning in the house, HDTV, International schools, how to get out of the country etc, etc. US attitudes towards Sri Lanka? Nobody gives a hoot. They have already forgotten the war.
Who ever promises duty free cars, motor cycles, buses, internet, International schools, electronic stuff are going to win.
Moshey,
Shouldn't we also investigate recent abduction of businessmen, attack on port workers on strike, palace in deniyaya etc?
/Shouldn't we also investigate recent abduction of businessmen, attack on port workers on strike, palace in deniyaya etc?/
recent abduction of businessmen: curtsy Dr. M. silva
attack on port workers on strike:
correction - port workers (UNP TU) attacked navy guys on civil suits.
palace in deniyaya: its said that Buckingham palace is going to sue for insulting them by calling 5 bed room houses as palaces. (a rumor)
/Reading this blog it seems like MR is going to win and SF is going to get humiliated. The blog world and the ground reality may be different./
In the blog world MR is supposed to get humiliated and SF is supposed to win (at least until results issued) no matter what the ground situation is. (This blog is about 10 peoples discussion though.)
mottapala,
ideally yes.
i hate this SELECTIVE investigation/punishment work in SL. but something is better than nothing.
SF is now retired but GR is still DS. the maximum SF camp can do is sling mud.
govt camp can sling mud, investigate and punish wrong doers as well.
it is the same thing as with the LTTE. apart from their crap flying shit, they were no match for govt's MiGs, Kfirs, J7s and Mi-24s!!!
G'day all, glad to see everyone in the new blog..
The picture would have been perfect if Fonny was here too..Alas greed and vanity gets to all mortals, even the great ones...I am 80% sure he will whinge he wasnt even invited to the event..
Judging from what I've been hearing from the peeps back home it's going to be a close affair, but my gut says MR will scrape through similar to 2005...If any of you patriots, havent visited the motherland in awhile maybe its time to do so and put the old tick next to the Bulath koley (or could it be the old atha this time??)..I'm taking wing early Jan..Going to be fun on election night..
It is very important the government hits this PLA with absolutely everything..White vans should be on their to East as we speak...I have a feeling that this is a Chanda gundu from TNA or India..However if MR nips this in the bud should give him vital momentum..
top man in east is known to me. he is not aware of any physical presence of PLA. This is just spin to keep the emergency state going through the election period. ATM I share Diyasena's predicition. Main advantage on MR's side is power.
I think having JVP on SF's side is a major advantage. Though they cannot get votes for themselves they are good at doing them for others.
I am surprised nobody in this blog comments on MR having SB, TNA, Karuna, Pillian on his side. Are they any better than Ranil?
If SF wins he is going to be a completely different person. He is a control freak. He wouldnt listen to Mano, or Ranil. They simply will have to toe SF's line. He will be a kind of dictator, exactly the kind Sri Lanka needs.
All patriots,
Shall we make a donation to 'tharunayata hetak'. $100 each. If we are true patriots and believe in MR as our saviour I cant see any problems.
Mottapala;
[[Shall we make a donation to 'tharunayata hetak'. $100 each. If we are true patriots and believe in MR as our saviour I cant see any problems.]]
Why not. And why a bloody $100. I donated $100 000 last week. Now it's your turn.....
Let us know once you do the donation. We can send you an invitation for THDC.
Look who is dominating terms. Way to go Sri Lanka...
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Lanka ready to share evidence to arrest Rudrakumaran
By Shehan Daniel
The Sri Lankan government says it is ready to share intelligence and evidence with US authorities, if the need arises, in order to secure the arrest of senior LTTE activist V. Rudrakumaran who is believed to be operating from the US.
Government Defence spokesman Minister Keheliya Rumbukwalla said the government hopes to gather evidence on the links between Rudrakumaran and the Tigers through the ongoing interrogation of Kumaran Pathmanathan (KP) in order secure his arrest.
US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Robert Blake, speaking to reporters in Colombo yesterday, said that Rudrakumaran could not be arrested as he had not committed any crimes on US soil.
When asked to respond to the US position on Rudrakumaran, Minister Rumbukwalla told Daily Mirror online Sri Lanka is hopeful that with sufficient evidence the LTTE activist can be arrested in the United States.
The Minister said that the US authorities had previously arrested and prosecuted LTTE personnel after gathering sufficient evidence against them.
“Maybe with enough evidence we can convince the US authorities to arrest Rudrakumaran. This matter involves the legal systems of both countries and thus it is not simple,” he said.
Following its military defeat the LTTE formed a team under US-based LTTE legal adviser Visuvanathan Rudrakumaran to work on the formation of a Provisional Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam.
Rudrakumaran, the son of former Jaffna Mayor Viswanathan, has been closely involved with the LTTE and has represented the outfit in several peace talks with the Government of Sri Lanka.
With the arrest of Kumaran Pathmanathan (KP) the next most senior LTTE activist is believed to be Rudrakumaran who had recently announced that an election with the participation of the Tamil Diaspora will be held next year to form the Transnational Government.
SF has said that he'll increase sal of all govt servants by Rs 10000/-.
General seems power hungry that he lost almost all his sense.
BTW, I am sure we can find at least one economist who will explain how general is gonna do this. Looking forward to...
Wije Dias of Samajavadi Samanatha Pakshaya is contesting. His party appeared in unis as Vi Ko Sa, and were called Vikara Korannange Sangamaya. Most lunatic socialists, blog parasites and political rocket science teachers are of this camp. They are mostly linked with WSWS, and many blogs, news services, HR/NDO operatives, are followers of this madness.
His party is the smallest party with the biggest attitude. They collect few thousands of votes in all island, but their agenda is to build the "World Socialist Trotskyte Republic" - one republic for the whole planet.
Let us salute Comrade Wije Dias on his campaign to be the first President of WSTR aka the world. And of course thank him in advance for all the best jokes he'd give us...
mottapala,
He will be a kind of dictator, exactly the kind Sri Lanka needs.
My friend, on one side you talk about harm to the nation by Rajapakse family dictating and now you are saying that dictator is ok. When and where did you loose your ability to think like sane human?
mottapala,
Lets take the cases of Karuna and Pilliyan. They renounced separatism and joined the mainstream. If SF is willing to accept the scum who preach Eelam and Federalism even today as his key supporters, I am 1000% willing to accept Karuna and Pillaiyan who gave up separatism. This is good proof how forgiving the mainstream is. Also this is good proof of the direction we can go as a nation. No federalism nor 13+ on racial lines. We are just one nation called Sri Lankans.
According to LTTE TOSSIE and PUSSIE intelligence who has direct links with Lanka News Web.
MR who has experienced various problems in the past is suffering from high blood pressure. PUSSIE doctors believe that MR needs to see a psychiatrist for high blood pressure. The world wide research conducted by PUSSIE doctors have not found any suitable medication for high blood pressure other than seeing a psychiatrist. By the way MR's doctor is also working for PUSSIE.
Sam, I didn't say MR is a dictator. He is one of the best we had as a leader in this country. I am against corruption in his regime or his inability to control it.
A tough leader is needed to discipline our society, law enforcement agencies, judiciary and instill accountability, responsibility in to the general public.
By the time a politician reaches the top slot he is corrupted to the core. We need an apolitical leader. I am still willing to gamble with SF.
SF is going to increase the salary by 10,000 using the same methods as MR who is going to give every child a laptop by 2010!
BTW SF must be dreaming of making Rosi his laptop! I bet the idea crossed his mind when he met her.
/SF has said that he'll increase sal of all govt servants by Rs 10000/-.
General seems power hungry that he lost almost all his sense.
BTW, I am sure we can find at least one economist who will explain how general is gonna do this. Looking forward to.../
First Fony will abolish EP, then he will give 10,000.. do this, do that.. HIKz of course econmics experts in UNP will advice him HIKz
This is funny.
http://www.lankadeepa.lk/2009/12/11/front_news/02.html
/Shall we make a donation to 'tharunayata hetak'. $100 each. If we are true patriots and believe in MR as our saviour I cant see any problems./
?
Many people I know who voted for MR last time now vote for Fony. But its quite few will vote for MR out of those who voted for RW. None of them use any logical or rational arguments. They will just do it as they like. This quantity of switching will decide the winner. This is democracy.
So many hearts were bleeding for four arrests in Borella few days ago. But now it looks that they are criminals to be arrested.
We noticed that same thing was happening when the white vans arrested pussycats. Sirasa and pussycat media, also the pro-pussy bloggers here were calling them abductions and to be investigated. Later to find out that arrested ppl are top level pussycats.
It is pathetic why some patriots have fallen to that low right now. Funniest thing is that these ppl are calling for the complete irradiation of corruption, and a dictatorship to do so. But they cannot bear a police intel unit arresting a bunch of corrupted crooks secretly.
It is no magic. Even SF is telling extremely unrealistic and contradicting things. So are his voters.
Divaina says this about arrests:
තේ ව්යාපාරිකයා ඇතුළු අත්අඩංගුවට ගත් පිරිස
හොඳ තේවලට කසළ තේ මිශ්ර කරන කල්ලියක්
හොඳ තේ කිලෝ 50කට කසළ තේ
කිලෝ 5 ක් ඩයි යොදා මිශ්ර කරනවාලූ
නෝමන් පලිහවඩන සහ ධම්මික සල්වතුර - හුණුපිටිය
කොළඹ බොරැල්ලේ කිතුල්වත්ත ප්රදේශය තුළ පොලිස් විශේෂ කාර්ය බළකාය මගින් අත්අඩංගුවට ගත් තේ ව්යාපාරිකයා ඇතුළු හතර දෙනා තේකොළවලට ඩයි සමග කසළ තේ මිශ්ර කරන කල්ලියක පිරිසක් බව පොලිස් පරීක්ෂණවලදී හෙළිවී ඇත. මෙම කල්ලිය පිළිබඳ කලක් තිස්සේ ලැබුණු තොරතුරු අනුව මෙසේ ඔවුන් අත්අඩංගුවට ගෙන තිබිණි.
මෙම සිව්දෙනා අත්අඩංගුවට ගැනීම පිළිබඳ මහත් ආන්දෝලනයක් හටගෙන තිබූ අතර සන්නද්ධ පිරිසක් ඔවුන් පැහැරගත් බවට මුලින්ම තොරතුරු හෙළිවිය.
මෙම කල්ලිය නිසා තේ පාලක මණ්ඩලය ද අසරණ තත්ත්වයට පත්ව ඇතැයි එම මණ්ඩලයේ ප්රකාශකයෙක් "දිවයින"ට පැවසීය.
අපවිත්ර කරන ලද තේකොළ පිළිබඳ තේ මණ්ඩලයට ලැබුණ ආරංචියක් මත එම මණ්ඩලයේ රස පරීක්ෂක නිලධාරීන් පිරිසක් හෝටලයකට යවා තේ කෝප්පයක් පානය කිරීමට ගිය මොහොතේ ඔවුන්ගේ දිවවල් කළු වූ බවද එම ප්රකාශකයා පැවසීය.
මේ අතර පිටරට යවන තේ කොළ පවා ආපසු හරවා එවන අවස්ථා ද ලැබෙන බව තේ මණ්ඩලය පැවසීය.
මෙම තේකොළ තත්ත්වයෙන් බාල බවට එම රටවල් කීපයක් තේ මණ්ඩලයට දැනුම් දී තිබේ.
මේ අතර පොලිස් විශේෂ කාර්යාංශයේ බුද්ධි අංශය මගින් තේ කොළවලට ඩයි සහ කසළ තේ මිශ්ර කරන කල්ලියේ හතර දෙනා අල්ලාගැනීමෙන් හෙළිවූ තොරතුරු අනුව තේ වෙන්දේසිවලින් පසු රැගෙන යන තේ පෙට්ටි ලොරි මෙසේ රැගෙන ගොස් එAවාට මෙම අපවිත්ර ද්රව්ය එක් කරන බව හෙළි කර ඇත. සමහර තේ කොළ ව්යාපාරිකයන් දෙතුන් දෙනකුගේම සහය මෙම පාතාල කල්ලිය වෙත ලැබී ඇති අතර හොඳ තේ කොළ කිලෝ ග්රෑම් 50 කට ඩයි යොදා කසළ තේ කොළ කිලෝ පහක් එකතු කරන බවද කියති.
පොලිස් විශේෂ කාර්ය බළකායේ බුද්ධි අංශය මෙසේ අල්ලාගත් තේ කොළ කල්ලියේ ප්රධානියා වන්නේ තේ කොළ සුද්දා බව කියන වත්තල පදිංචිකරුවෙකි.
තේ කොළ ව්යාපාරිකයකු ලෙස පෙනී සිටි මොහු ගම්පල ප්රදේශය තුළ කසළ තේ නිෂ්පාදනයන් මහා පරිමාණයෙන් කරගෙන ගොස් ඇත.
Namal Rajapakshe have threatened Sanath Jayasooriya over refusal to be a yes man for advert icing campaign launched on “Tharunayata hetak” program.
DON’T YOU WANT TO PLAY CRICKET ANY MORE? That is the question asked by Namal from Sanath when he declined to be a political campaigner!
SF can sit tightly without doing anything because family bandits are doing it for SF!!
When Mervin and SB start it in big way; 10% of voters will switch sides from patriots to traitors.
ian,
welcome back mate!
i hate namal rajapaksha (dunno why, i ALWAYS hated him) but he threatening sanath jayasuriya is BS.
this is cheap and bankrupt politics played by JVP website lankalies.
SF's damn cheap election gimmicks!!
what if the govt raises salary by 10k BEFORE the election?????????
not that i'm suggesting it. but this is such a cheap trick.
"Fonseka said that people over 60 years of age would be paid a special dole to meet their expenses."
including himself!!
where the hell is he going to find the money??? danuna's donations???
re: SF's experience
this is a VALID allegation.
1. it is NOT about mccain/bush having more experience than obama. it is about obama having 10+ years political experience and SF having ZERO experience.
2. political experience is a MUST bcos otherwise SF will contradict himself.
3. political experience is about TEAM WORK which SF lacks VERY BADLY.
4. power hunger alone cannot make you a successful politician. you need to have team work. joining the WRONG TEAM and fighting within the WINNING TEAM (karannagoda, gunathilake, gotabhaya, etc.) is a shitt start for SF!!!
this is what is called experience.
/SF can sit tightly without doing anything because family bandits are doing it for SF!!/
Yep, we will throw away this corrupted dictator with his family and replace sacred uncorrupted perfect family.
/top man in east is known to me. he is not aware of any physical presence of PLA. This is just spin to keep the emergency state going through the election period./
If true, good move.
/I think having JVP on SF's side is a major advantage./
Yep, it helps tamils and relatives of UNP supporters killed by JVP to vote for Fony.
/I am surprised nobody in this blog comments on MR having SB, TNA, Karuna, Pillian on his side. Are they any better than Ranil?/
Not sure about TNA. Others are better than Ponil - That's why they in MR's side.
/If SF wins he is going to be a completely different person./
Yep, already happened - an ass clown.
/He is a control freak. He wouldnt listen to Mano, or Ranil. They simply will have to toe SF's line./
He will do as US embassy says, as US puppet.
/He will be a kind of dictator, exactly the kind Sri Lanka needs./
"Fonseka condemned Rajapakse for protecting the “nepotistic interests of one family—a dynasty and a king” and acting as a “dictator”."
Fony's fans also funny.. HIKz
"top man in east is known to me. he is not aware of any physical presence of PLA. This is just spin to keep the emergency state going through the election period."
i said this first! lol!
yes. this is the plan. have emrgency until the 5th jan. then use something else to extend in till 5 feb. that would cover the election and the independence day.
having said that there was a move for mass illegal migration in the east. in the resultant violence one tamil was killed and a few others were wounded. in pays to keep a close watch over their family members.
we don't want the wolf story to happen.
MD
This is SL and there are people who will vote for Fony "saying" 'NamakR threaten SJ' or 'Fony will give me 10,000'.
The real reason they vote for Fony is they hate MR and they are now in taking revenge from MR mentality and thats due to opposition (Mongal's LNW, JVP's LT, LeN, Sirasa etc) propaganda. Of course, no one has any proof against either MR or Fony and all depends on propaganda.
However, they can't (and won't) say this directly rather give us 25 bogus reasons (one contradicting another - they don't care or even don't notice) for voting Fonz.
Thus opposition propaganda is in success as expected. They even have created an artificial bogus 'wave' (trend). In contrast MR's campaign looks lost. I believe I could do better if job was given to me.
Opposition can give any promise - doesn't matter realistic or not. People need 'attractive promises' before elections to vote and after election it will be irrelevant. And any opposition is in a good position to sell promises but doing same is harder for any ruling party.
According to my estimate on ground situation general thuma has good chance winning PE. MR need to make development based 'positive' propaganda the main theme of his campaign. Mud slinging and 'negative' propaganda is ok but only in side not as main theme.
"Fonseka condemned Rajapakse for protecting the “nepotistic interests of one family—a dynasty and a king” and acting as a “dictator”."
fonseka's family dominance and nepotism.
page down.
i reward my wife and she rewards me in public.
shameless!!
and of course money matters too!!
"The Commander in turn presented the donation to Mrs Anoma Fonseka, the President of the Seva Vanitha Army Branch."
these kids are fine, only the adults are retarded!!!
ninja,
then the other camp should also start a campaign against mangala/ranil. their homosexual adventures.
come to think of it ranil has produced enough homosexual publicity material against mangala and mangala has produced enough material against ranil from 1994 to 2006!!!!!!!!
bring those back to the limelight.
ranil fonseka, mongal fonseka will do the trick!
and in posters spell fonseka with the P (f), not the m like "F".
their flag is anyway the GAY flag!!
and their motto is....
"reta newena api"
(we bend at night).
or alternatively their motto is.......
"rata dee newena api"
(we hand over the country and BEND OVER!!)
oh shiiit! what an election slogan. "rata dee newena api"
The Bad, the Ugly and the Beautiful
Politicians are generally at their worst during elections. However they get back to their old self post polls.
Media on the other hand is known for its kaleidoscopic behaviour. There are quite a few media entities – print, electronic and web that continue to display an erratic and venomous behaviour all the time. Another set of otherwise neutral entities tend to go bonkers whenever the politicians they back turn violent. The second scenario is largely attributed to financial benefits and other perks.
Media shows its worst possible face when it goes on rampage assassinating the characters of politicians.
There are two types of slander; one that quotes another, usually a loudmouth politician. The other is the concoction of bizarre stories based on whatever little one knows about a politician.
One is certainly not talking about allegations by or against President, General or Gota here. At least there’s some semblance of sanity and decency in the manner these campaign allegations are made despite the volatility and the inflammability of the subject matter. What one talks about here is a different kind of journalism, not a one that directly targets candidates but their key strategists and speakers, in the most loathsome manner. The plan is to keep the strategists and speakers occupied, busy countering the wild personal allegations levelled against them so that there would be hardly any time for them to devote to the candidate. How gross these potions are going to be is largely dependent on how frustrated the person behind the move is.
Speaking about frustrations, interestingly both the principle campaigns appear to be going at an unbelievably relaxed pace sans the venomous confrontations that many expected. One wonders whether it has got anything to do with the sense of humour, with which the backbenchers of both sides counter the allegations levelled against their respective candidates. However predictions are that it’s a matter of days before the Tweedledum and Tweedledee pair in the government, the ink-bathed politico (Mervin) from the holy city and the latest long jumper (SB) doing the honours, open the can of worms.
Visibility wise of course the resourceful government has made President Mahinda Rajapaksa almost omnipresent in the cities to a point that one wonders whether the whole of Colombo has been transported to the State of Tamil Nadu for a season. The ruling coalition seems to be capitalizing on the obvious delay displayed by the opposition in airborning of the swan, the latter however according to the opposition is a poll tactic. Some others attribute it to conflict of interests among alliance partners and financial constraints. However there are obvious disadvantages of being a late starter since an early lead always helps a presidential candidate. Even otherwise, people deserve to be witnesses of a robust competition.
A good editorial by DN
what is the international political/defence significance of the Rana Viru Monument in Puthukkudiyiruppu????????
the soldier carries an AK-47 or a chinese Type-56.
it is clear. not ANY GUN.
mozambique put the AK in its national flag. in the west the AK is considered the "bad guy's gun".
holding the SL flag on one hand and the AK on the other is a powerful symbol.
at vezapillai's location it means a lot more.
AK is heavily used in russia, india, china, czech republic, even in israel (a modified own version).
was it deleiberate??? was it intended to honour our partners too????
a few weeks ago i highlighted the presence of THESAWALAMAI LAW in palestine!!
according to that a palestine (arab) cannot sell his land to an israeli withuot a series of approvals. if not the punishment is death!!
now this!!!
from bbc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8407289.stm
UK food labels are set to distinguish between goods from Palestinians in the occupied territories and produce from Israeli settlements.
Food packaging guidelines advise a change from labels usually only naming Israel or West Bank as the source.
The government said it was opposed to a boycott of Israeli goods, but that the settlements posed an obstacle to peace.
The Palestinian general delegation to the UK welcomed the move, but Israel said it was "extremely disappointed".
All Jewish settlements in the West Bank are illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
The new guidelines recommend that food labels in supermarkets should bear the phrases "Israeli settlement produce" or "Palestinian produce".
Manuel Hassassian, Palestinian general Delegate to the UK, said: "We welcome this. We have been calling for this for two years, since we began lobbying major British supermarkets when we discovered that they were routinely selling products marked 'produce of the West Bank' which were in fact the produce of illegal settlements.
"This is a very positive response by the British government."
But the Israeli embassy said it was "extremely disappointed".
"We think this is singling out Israel and it plays into the hands of those who are calling for a boycott of Israeli goods," it said.
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either tamil elamists are learning from palestinian separatists or the palestinian seperatists are learning from tamil elamists!!
suicide bombing, calling their enemies chena boys, resisting colonization, thesawalamei are not the only things they share.
patriots,
tamil elamists around the world are shocked to see a monument for SL war heroes with SL symbolism in PTK.
influenced by them a certain political group has agreed to dismantle it and build a new COMMON MONUMENT in honour of vezapillai, LTTE terrorists, SLA and civilians who died in PTK.
bloody SATAN FCUKERS!!!
WAY TO GO, Sri Lanka Navy! Jayawewa!
Naval Capabilities, Naval R&D and Need for an Export Oriented Defense Industry for Sri Lanka.
As I had proposed some time ago at DW, we need to develop ATTACK HELICOPTER CARRIERS, perhaps using the merchant ships gifted to us by the LTTE, each able to carry up to two MI-24/MI-35 attack helicopters, with onboard capabilities to repair, maintain and rearm them.
These can be built by mounting landing platforms on the fore and aft decks of the vessel. More ambitiously, the entire superstructure of the merchant vessels can be lopped-off and relocated to one side of the vessel, with the landing deck running the entire length of the ship.
In addition, the stern can be equipped with a door to allow two or more fast Arrow type attack boats to be launched, for interdiction of enemy vessels on the surface, and boarding them, after the enemy vessels are overtaken and disabled from the air.
The purpose of such helicopter carriers would be to enable the SLN to effectively sweep the ocean far out at sea in DEEP OCEAN, and attack with massive firepower from the air if any slow or fast moving enemy vessels are found. We recall that the SLN had great difficulty in doing that in the last decade due to the lack of fast ocean-going fighting ships.
Typically, these heavier ships will not have the speed required to interdict fast smugglers/pirates/LTTE vessels on their own, but with the attack helicopters will be able to easily overtake them, and either destroy them, or disable and hold them until our surface vessels arrive.
With at least six such ATTACK HELICOPTER CARRIERS, we could cover the deep ocean around Sri Lanka from the ports of Colombo, Galle, Hambantota, and Trincomalee, and Kankasanthurai with one held in reserve as a backup ship.
These would be the MOST USEFUL types of ships to develop for the SLN, and offers a way to exploit the captured LTTE ships to defend our DEEP SEAS and the coastline.
SKILLS DEVELOPMENT & EXTERNAL SALES
The experience we gain in developing these ships for our own use, can be fruitfully leveraged to embed such skills and expertise in our own people, to build such ships for sale to friendly foreign nations.
In this way, we can offset the costs of Naval R&D, Naval purchases and Naval personnel.
This proposal falls under the umbrella of my often advocated idea of developing an EXPORT ORIENTED DEFENSE INDUSTRY in Sri Lanka to support the costs of our defense establishment, and to develop and maintain our skills in defense technologies.
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Sri Lanka Navy plays a crucial role in the development process - Navy Commander
ColomboPage News Desk, Sri Lanka.
December 10, 2009
Sri Lanka Navy plays a crucial role in the ongoing development process and despite the fact that the war has ended, the Navy has an immense work load ahead, the Navy Commander Vice Admiral Thisara Samarasinghe said.
Sri Lanka Navy plays a crucial role in the development process - Navy Commander
.....continued..
Addressing the media briefing held at the Media Center for national Security today to commemorate the 59th anniversary of the Sri Lanka Navy that fell on yesterday, the Commander said the Navy offers the first point of security for the country, being an island and it has to guard both the High seas as well as the coastline of the country.
Commander Samarasinghe stressing the importance of preventing the vanquished terrorist outfit from rising again said that the Navy is striving to completely eradicate the illegal arms and human smuggling trade in the country.
There will be marshalling points along the coastline of Sri Lanka to monitor and prevent any illegal activities taking place on the beaches. The Navy will initiate a mechanism to ensure that no ship, boat or vessel of any kind to leave or enter any point of the island without the knowledge of the Sri Lanka Navy, the Commander said.
He said the Navy plans to expand both in manpower and infrastructure. It has already ordered six more Fast Attack Craft from Israel which are due to be delivered in January.
Addressing the Indian fishermen issue Commander Samarasinghe said the Navy is bound to aid the fisherman at all times. A proper management process is need to curb the illegal fishing in the Sri Lankan waters although the Navy has good bilateral relationship with the Indian authorities.
"It is a complicated issue despite all the friendship between the two countries which prevail," Vice Admiral Samarasinghe said.
ananda,
again i disagree with numbers.
our OPVs can carry at max ONE dolphin or similar helicopter. may be an alouette. these are light helicopters (< 5,000 kg) with no or very limited attack capability. we don't have them.
our OPVs are about 2,000 MT.
nothing more.
an Mi-24 weighs around 15,000 kg. needs a lot of stability to land.
a ship of at least 4,500 MT is needed to carry 2 light helicopters.
can't imagine the size of a ship (if there is such a ship) that can carry a Mi-24.
we might have to buy a light heli for the purpose. that would be one onboard.
also a few marshalling points should have a MIL, ready for action.
Moshe,
No offense..I assume have some link with Israel, as you consitently defend her actions. But comparing Palestinians with Tamils are a bit unfair.
1. 'The Palestinian separatists' must be allowed to separate. Or else in a few years, the Jewish Nation will not be Jewish at all..
2. Colonisation must not be forced and be multi-ethnic..How many Arab settlements have been built in Israel?
3. Israel is not a multi-cultural state. It is mono-linguistic and mono-religious and the Palestinians are treated worse than the Black South Africans during Apartheid.
So though the glorious Thamizh race has very little to whinge about in SL, the Palestinians have due cause..
Actually there are some similarities on how Israel was born and how eelam was in the making before it was aborted by our military surgeons at Nanthikadal..
1. The 1st World Zionist Congress of 1897 called for creation of Jewish state in their historical homeland. Similar to the Vaddukodai resolution of 1976..
2. British facilitated mass migration of Jews in the between the world wars (i.e. demography change)...Red Barna (Jon Westborg) sponsored estate tamil settlements in the Wanni late 70s and early 80s
3. Ethnic cleansing of Sinhalese and Muslims by the LTTE.. Attacks on Palestinian villages by Zionist armed groups in the early 40s (At this time these groups attacked the British as well, similar to the way the LTTE attacked the IPKF)
BTW moshe,
Were you able to follow up on my query on Nanda Menike-SF thing? Or was that lost during the last days of Defencewire?
diyasena,
i respect your right to opinion.
the 2 are not comparable but there are a few comparable things.
1. there are no palestinians seperate from arabs. they ARE 100% arabs. are there elam tamils??? no. they are tamils.
2. arabs try to carve out a seperate territory in israel called palestine. they have the whole of arabia but jews have only israel.
3. there are 300+ million arabs and palestinians are no different. same language, same songs, same traditions. there are only 15 millions jews.
4. israel is hebrew (75%) and arabic (25%). both are national languages. there are PLENTY of arabs living happily in israel FYI!!! they don't want a seperate state. they live and work in israel PEACEFULLY. isreal provides for both groups equally.
diyasena,
wrong!
jews came to israel 3,000 years ago from eygpt. since then there was a country named israel. the mahavamsa clearly proves that!!! i mean the holy bible. (lol!).
what happened was around the 5 century AD arabs successfully invaded israel and eventually made part of it arabic.
arabs are using something like "elam". palestinians are arabs today. there is no difference.
not only the brits, all the christian countries fought arabs for 1,500 years to defend israel.
comparing jews to tamils brought by brits is absurd. jews came back to their ONLY COUNTRY from OTHERS" countries!! whereas tamils were brought from their homeland (tamil madu) to SL, malaysia and other alien places.
there is ABSOLUTELY NO ETHNIC CLEANSING in israel!!! genocide claims are complete BULLSHIT.
25% israel citizens are arabs.
but 0% is the percentage of jews in palestinian territories!!
it must ring a bell!!
diyasena,
nope.
i tried all the avenues available but couldn't get hold of any info on nandamenike???
what's your source, if it can be revealed????
Ananda Aiya,
Agree with Moshe..Our OPVs (at least the one's purchased) from India cannot carry MI-24/35s..Their sister vessels in India usually carry Chetak multipurpose helicopters..Me reckons, being a deep ocean Navy should begin with getting more frigates, destroyers..Light helicopters and a few light subs can come into the picture gradually as well..
but i agree that openly comparing israel to SL and palestine to TE will have terrible implications on us!!!
but SL has hell of a lot to learn from israel,
1. HOW TO SURVIVE
2. how to keep alive a VERY small community of just 15 million around the world from MASSIVE and invasive neighbourhood.
3. how to handle sympathy seeking BS.
4. how to fight them and the weapons.
although tamil elamists try to compare their cause to the jewish cause, they ARE following everything palestinians do. the arab diaspora in the west is MUCH LARGER than the jewsih diaspora and they are very active.
Diyasena;
I agree with you that Palasthenians did not face same treatments as Tamils as a race. But let me disagree with you comparison taht tamils are like Israelites. That on teh ground that basic matters oppose, there may be slight similarities.
1. Israelites are the first inhabitants of the land they currently dwell. Palasthenians are the influx of migrants and invadors in eth population increase of Arab rigions. They pushed Israel little by little further into ocean and finally almost all Israelites left their land to foreign lands. Finally they became a tiny minority in their own land.
Sinhala were pushed similarly. But we were lucky as we had more ppl, more land and India never directly got involved like arab world. Had TN or India got directly involved, most sinhala will either die, convert or migrate making sinhala a tiny minoirty in a tamil [coming from TN] dominant SL.
2. Isrelites faught back, in past century. It was a bitter battle, but mind you they were first attacked, and they reactively started. I do not agree with many things they did but categorically their war is similar to ours. It was a war against teoor groups created in your own land.
3. Most settlements in Palasthene land are made in order to safe guard themselves by diluting teh ethnic enclave of palasthenian only. But you're right that they do it in sheer racism, and they do not allow arabs to freely move into Israel. But categorically they have same objective. Right now we're waiting for teh Multinations Sri Lankan population to be settled in Wanni in order to avoid ethnic enclave of tamil only.
In pragmatic terms, two nations may sit in two sides. Isreal sold the right beans to west and got free cover to conduct most inhuman crimes. And they became a super power and one of the most hated nations.
Nobody gave free lunch for us other than spilling sand in our hard earned lunch. Yet we did not conduct crimes as bad s that. And we are a nation loved by most.
[TBC...]
[Cont...]
[[ Actually there are some similarities on how Israel was born and how eelam was in the making before it was aborted by our military surgeons at Nanthikadal..]]
Not at all. iIsrael was there for ~5000 yrs and lost its identity in past 2000 yrs. Eelam had never been here and only way tamils controlled SL was by means of invading us.
[[ The 1st World Zionist Congress of 1897 called for creation of Jewish state in their historical homeland. Similar to the Vaddukodai resolution of 1976..]]
Similar correct. But do not forget that Zionist Congress reinsted a nation that existed from 3000 BCE till 0BCE and then with ups and downs survived another 1000 odd years. Wadukkodai laddies are talking about a "self determination that existed from ~1200s till 1619 BCE [400 years] with most of it going under Southern Sinhala kingdom.
I see this as a major difference.
[[ 2. British facilitated mass migration of Jews in the between the world wars (i.e. demography change)...Red Barna (Jon Westborg) sponsored estate tamil settlements in the Wanni late 70s and early 80s]]
Agree. That is because Israelists can be used against the majority muslims as per border of that time. But within SL which was already an independant nation advantage was to use tamils.
[[ 3. Ethnic cleansing of Sinhalese and Muslims by the LTTE.. Attacks on Palestinian villages by Zionist armed groups in the early 40s (At this time these groups attacked the British as well, similar to the way the LTTE attacked the IPKF)]]
In Isreal both sides did ethnic cleansing. In around 1920s and 1940s then dominant muslims killed loads of innocent Israelites whom was a minority [as majority lived away fromthe land]. Moshe Dyan senior is a man who ran a counter cleansing movement to protect teh little surviving numbers.
In SL also cleansing happened in both sides. What ever the causes were however much ppl dies, the killings of 1958, 1983 were ethnically selective. And tamils did teh same in their regions. But today, of the four races in concern only Sinhala are non-racist.
If I brief it, in fundamental scale Israel and SL are much alike. In pragmatic terms no. Tamils however do not have any relationship to either nation other than teh fact that certain tamils ended up being terrorists
Moshe,
Lets just agree to disagree on the Israel-Palestine thing..But if the Palestinian territories are amalgamated to Israel, it is a fact arabs will eventually outnumber jews..Agreed genocide was committed by both Jews and Arabs during the wars but-post 1967 the Jewish state has used has paid scant regard to civilian casualties (the human shield theory doesnt count..IF a moderately well equipped SLA can minimize civilian casualties so successfully, it cannot be too difficult for the far more advance IDF)..
In my opinion a two-state solution based on 1967 is the way to go under the following conditions
1. No right of return for Palestinian refugees..this is a bullshit demand that will never fly
2. Jewish settlements have to be either dismantled or the settlers have to become Palestinian citizens...
3. Jerusalem should be either split or maintained as UN-administered city state..I think the latter is more practical Tel Aviv and Ramallah are the defacto capitals anyway..
4. As soon as Israel accepts the sovereinity of Palestine, Palestine must sign a defence treaty with Israel. The Arab league should recognize Israel and sign a peace treaty simultaneously.
This process is quite doable, but difficult due to the power of Islamic fanatics and ultra-zionists..
Moshe;
- I was wrong about having 5000yrs of Israel history. Yes you're right they started dwelling that real estate ~3500 yrs ago. They lost if to romans after 1500 yrs, and then again got it partially to fully loose it to muslims in another 700 years. So in past 1300 years it was muslim controlled and Jews got it back ~60yrs ago.
- Does Israel have 25% equally treated Arab population in ares out of occupied regions? I honestly doubt this, but if so I take back racist claims. I know that most Isalites are not racist, but their national conduct looked very much so.
- Nothing can justify the open prisons in occupied regions. I understand taht there is no way you can negotiate, but what Israel does is not at all fair. And it will never allow them peace.
- I do not think it is at least partially comparable to the way we treat tamils in N/E.
- Note one more thing. We have an ocean barrier that limits the influence of TN. Israel are more unfortunate on that regard.
Moshe,
Unfortunately cant reveal the source..But he was quite high up in the Army when the scandal initially erupted erupted and still on ok terms with SF..I think this is common knowledge in the army and MR/GR/JJ are in the know..Either MR is being a gentleman and not bringing private lives into the debate or he is waiting for the right moment to sling the mud
Interesting discussion with terrorism expert
- three groups of pussycats - one working with us to help in capturing other two.
- KP shud be granted mercy.
- Real War hero is neither SF nor Mr, but GR.
- Unfortunate fight of MR vs SF, and teh consequence of it in war.
- Pussycat's next operation in SL.
Sujeewa K.,
Arab Israelis do make up 20-25% of the State of Israel..There are a couple in their national football team as well..However they are not equal citizens as SL tamils (outside N/E) or muslims..That is partly their fault for not making a proper attempt to integrate and partly due to the institutuionalized racism of the state institutions..
Moshe,
I was comparing the birth of israel with the miscarraige of TE..
of course there is plenty to learn from the Isrealis as you pointed out.
1. Survival- Having patron state in the security council which defends them unconditionally. And having a large sophisticated military, disproportionate to the population of the country..
2. Shared knowledge and technology on fighting determined terrorist groups as well as external threats..Hopefully one day we will be strong enough to frustrate a potentail Indian invasion..
Disagree with the Diaspora thing though..The Arab diaspora is more influental in Europe whilst the Jewish one is more in America..However still the western world revolves around America..Europe will make symbolic gestures against Isreal but never anything concrete due to their collective sympathy about the holocaust...
Moshe/Diyasena;
[[Arab Israelis do make up 20-25% of the State of Israel]]
Is this covering the occupied regions too? I mean Golan heights, Sinai, Gaza and West Bank? If so no surprise. But if this mean the population of remaining major Israel, then it is very interesting.
Sujeewa K,
Yes the 20-25% are Israeli citizens..IF the Arabs in the occupied territory were also given Israeli citizenship Jews would become a minority...
Moshe, Diyasena,
The specs on the MI-24 are given below. The Max payload is 12,000 kg and the Rotor Diameter is 17.3m (56 ft 7in). Note that 12,000 kg = 12MT
I am talking about converting merchant vessels of 5,000 - 10,000 MT displacement into HELICOPTER GUNSHIP CARRIERS. They can certainly carry 2 MI-24s each weighing 12MT; I just don't see how weight of the helicopters becomes a problem here.
The REAL LIMITATION is not the helicopter weight, but the ROTOR DIAMETER of the MI-24. Even that can be accommodated on properly built fore and aft decks on these vessels.
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Specifications (Mi-24)
Data from Indian-Military.org[40]
General characteristics
Crew: 2-3: pilot, weapons system officer and technician (optional)
Capacity: 8 troops or 4 stretchers
Length: 17.5 m (57 ft 4 in)
Rotor diameter: 17.3 m (56 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Height: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Disc area: 235 m² (2,530 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,500 kg (18,740 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 12,000 kg (26,500 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Isotov TV3-117 turbines, 1,600 kW (2,200 hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 335 km/h (208 mph)
Range: 450 km (280 miles)
Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,750 ft)
Armament
Possible armament configuration on Mi-24W
Yakushev-Borzov YakB-12.7 machine gunInternal guns
flexible 12.7 mm Yakushev-Borzov Yak-B Gatling gun on most variants. Maximum of 1,470 rounds of ammunition.
fixed twin-barrel GSh-30K on the Mi-24P. 750 rounds of ammunition.
flexible twin-barrel GSh-23L on the Mi-24VP and Mi-24VM. 450 rounds of ammunition.
PKT passenger compartment window mounted machine guns
External stores
Total payload is 1,500 kg of external stores.
Inner hardpoints can carry at least 500 kg
Outer hardpoints can carry up to 250 kg
Wing-tip pylons can only carry the 9M17 Phalanga (in the Mi-24A-D) or the 9K114 Shturm complex (in the Mi-24V-F).
Bomb-load
Bombs within weight range (presumably ZAB, FAB, RBK, ODAB etc.), Up to 500 kg.
MBD multiple ejector racks (presumably MBD-4 with 4xFAB-100)
KGMU2V submunition/mine dispenser pods
First-generation armament
(standard production Mi-24D)
GUV-8700 gunpod (with a 12.7 mm Yak-B + 2x7.62 mm GShG-7.62 mm combination or one 30 mm AGS-17)
UB-32 S-5 rocket launchers
S-24 240 mm rocket
9M17 Phalanga (a pair on each wingtip pylon)
Second-generation armament (Mi-24V, Mi-24P and most upgraded Mi-24D)
UPK-23-250 gunpod carrying the GSh-23L
B-8V20 a lightweight long tubed helicopter version of the S-8 rocket launcher
9K114 Shturm in pairs on the outer and wingtip pylons
VVIP Passenger Craft built by Navy ceremonially launched
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20091211_08
Ananda, Moshe, and Diyasena,
I think that you have started a very timely discussion. We need to improve our naval blue water capabilities now. While we want to make sure that we coordinate our naval activities with India, we want to remain not subservient to India. That is why I believe that we have to build our own OPVs and destroyers here in CDL or any other company we start in Hambanthota. We need to think long term also, not just short term. What are the emerging threats in the near future and what are possible threats 50 years down the road. We even have to think of the unlikely possibility of disintegration of India in a very short time and possible invasion across Polk Straight. I am sad that our dream team did not remain cohesive to plan our future, but we need to people like general Fonseka to restructure our forces for future threats. Hopefully, Gota will get on to this cause.
"Unfortunately cant reveal the source"
hiks..
The only source available right now is Diyasena's birth certificate.
Peter, Upul, Bhairav, Shyam, Kuttu, and other Eelamoids,
Development of SLN
I would like to thank you for the money and time spent on building those naval bases on this side of the Polk Straight from Silawathura to Pooneryn. They are great places for SBS and RBS to hone the skill for decades to come.
Information Mahen and SF@LNP Revealed Early On.
The amount of gold found by the army in Vellamullivaikkal is not included in the current gold reserves in the Central Bank. The recovered amount of gold has to be channelled through courts, Cabraal said.
Why We are Poor ? (From the famous PPT spam)
The difference between the poor countries and the rich ones is not the age of the country.
This can be shown by countries like India & Egypt, that are more than 2000 years old and are poor.
On the other hand, Canada, Australia & New Zealand, that 150 years ago were inexpressive, today are developed countries and are rich.
The difference between poor & rich countries does not reside in the available natural resources.
Japan has a limited territory, 80% mountainous, inadequate for agriculture & cattle raising, but it is the second world economy. The country is like an immense floating factory, importing raw material from the whole world and exporting manufactured products.
Another example is Switzerland, which does not plant cocoa but has the best chocolate of the world. In its little territory they raise animals and plant the soil during 4 months per year. Not enough, they produce dairy products of the best quality. It is a small country that transmits an image of security, order & labor, which made it the world’s strong safe.
Executives from rich countries who communicate with their counterparts in poor countries show that there is no significant intellectual difference.
Race or skin color are also not important: immigrants labeled lazy in their countries of origin are the productive power in rich European countries.
What is the difference then?
The difference is the attitude of the people, framed along the years by the education & the culture.
On analyzing the behavior of the people in rich & developed countries, we find that the great majority follow the following principles in their lives:
1. Ethics, as a basic principle.
2. Integrity.
3. Responsibility.
4. Respect to the laws & rules. 5. Respect to the rights of other citizens.
6. Work loving.
7. Strive for saving & investment.
8. Will of super action.
9. Punctuality.
In poor countries, only a minority follow these basic principles in their daily life.
We are not poor because we lack natural resources or because nature was cruel to us.
We are poor because we lack attitude. We lack the will to comply with and teach these functional principles of rich & developed societies.
If you love your country, let this message circulate for a major quantity of people could reflect about this & CHANGE, ACT!!
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Now imagine running this as a campaign manifesto against 10,000 Salary increase.
I want to be the next president of Sri Lanka and I promise to improve National Attitude by 25% during next 5 years.
Even my mom will not vote for me :)
Sri lankan navy should acquire the Milgem corvettes/frigates from Turkey.
These are stealth warships that have just begun to be produced by Turkey.
The average price tag is about $250 million per ship. They come in the corvette variety and the frigate variety.
Already Pakistan has shown interest in buy some and later building some of them in their dockyards. Bangladesh is also interested in these ships.
Sri lanka should also buy some of these stealth warships and build the rest in our dockyards.
If we start building these ships under contract, the tenchnological transfer would be a quantum leap for us.
Here in info on the Milgem corvette/frigates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Milgem_class_corvette
kurrulla says 'mage baana ahinsakai'.. army ekata wikke mokakda eka jathiyak iatharalu.. - lankadeepa
/"Unfortunately cant reveal the source"
hiks..
The only source available right now is Diyasena's birth certificate./
Its said fonzy is taking care of nanda menike and their two kids so this may be just illegal consensual affair not a rape...
Remember "Fonseka condemned Rajapakse for protecting the “nepotistic interests of one family—a dynasty and a king” and acting as a “dictator”". So we can treat two king families instead of one..
/Police attempt to search Fonseka’s house for deserters
The police said it had received a complaint from the army stating that former General Sarath Fonseka was harboring a group of army deserters at his official residence adding that the Military Police had visited the house to investigate the claims but had returned as the house was closed./
General thuma has absolutely nothing to hide.. so no reason to open the house.. so it was closed.. HIKz
Mervyn "punishes" the owner of defunct microphones
This is the liability of MR.
Three new SLA divisions, 64, 66, and 68.
This is great. We need to maintain our combat readiness for years to come. I hope that our soldiers get the same rigorous training that kept them in top shape in the recent past. On top of this, is is absolutely necessary improve our naval and air forces.
I am not sure if this story is true. However, accepting terrorist money to run the election campaign is simply treason.
Only if this UN A-hole knows that a child soldier is not an infant holding a milk botttle.
Sampa and Premechandran the top scum are still asking our soldiers to be removed from North and East. Do these donkey still think that they are living in Eelam. Somebody needs to tell them that if they don't like SL Forces in Sri Lanka, they need to find some other country to live.
/Romesh de Silva PC said that the report was incorrect. He then submitted to the Court minutes of the National Security Council and the Minister of the Chief of Defence staff subsequent to the retirement of General Fonseka.
The Attorney General objected stating it was wrong to divulge defence secrets.
Justice Amaratunga: Persons who divulge defence secrets could be prosecuted./
Does history repeat?
1815: Ehalepola thought he should be the king instead of Rajasinghe.
2010: Fony thought he should be the king instead of Rajapakshe.
1815: Ehalepola defected and joined British and made a deal to oust king and become king.
2010: Fonzy defected and joined enemy parties and made a deal with US embassy to oust MR and become president.
1815: Clever spy work and propaganda by John Doily together with drunk king's own actions such as executing Ehelopola family turned mass against king. People took revenge even from the queen by robbing her earrings together with parts of ears.
2010: Opposition propaganda is so successful against even MR's family now some people (at least on web) want to take revenge from MR and his family.
1815: British couldn't defeat military wise king's army even after defection but political defeat lasted 400 years. The critical turning point was king losing support from mass.
2010: We won military war but political war is still going on. Again decision is on mass?
diyasena and SK,
although we disagree on some points, glad that we have concensus on some other issues re: israel-palestine.
west bank is palestinian. its a seperate administration.
we should NEVER catch the UNDER DOG SYNDROME. this is what is ailing the west when it comes to terrorists. they support the dog (under dog)!!
palestinians are trying hard to be peace loving citizens, but OUTSIDE forces don't let them live in peace.
the arab diaspora in the americas is understated in statistics.
when taken as a whole (europe, north america), the arab diaspora is MUCH LARGER than the jewish diaspora.
in terms of economic power, they own MUCH MORE investments than jews NOW. this trend is increasing. they channel their oil money in billions. this will have political consequences in time to come.
keeping egypt stable for the past 30 or so years was a MAJOR victory for peace in the region. don't know what will happen after mubarak.
the sunni-shiite divide also helps but not when they get into a competition of being the MOST VIOLENT.
like SL, israel (among other countries) too has some clout in shipping routes in the region with suez. it also has the advantage of being at the centre stage of catholisism. and being the only non-muslim country in the strategically important ME. using these to find THE ISRAELI solution is the challenge.
like general moshe dayan said, US gives us money, weapons and advice. we take the money, we take the weapons, but refuse their advice!!!
SRI has lot to learn from ISR to survive.
ninja,
it has two parts.
1. the 2010 election
2. post 2010 election period.
even if SF loses the election, this won't end.
diyasena, ninja,
yes it was consensual sex with nanda meneike. on christmas day 1975, he screwed another woman whose identity is not revealed. she was just a domestic aid whereas nandamenike was a soldier.
at the same time our chap was carrying on with a 15 year old school girl!!!
fony has got some of his close bodyguards, intel guys who worked directly under him, desert the army.
one batch resigned with SF and another batch 2 days ago when CID took over the lasantha investigation.
Ananda,
using a merchant vessel to carry a helicopter, especially a Mi-24 is not practical.
but i agree there should be Mi-24s in the formula.
best thing is to have them stationed on land corresponding to marshalling points.
far away engagements must be handled by sea craft.
sam,
yes. remember our NUMBER #1 security risk before pussycats was KALLATHONIS.
now that the war is over, kallathonis will come in MILLIONS!!!
if the navy cannot stop them, we should engage kidney traders to deter them. no joke. our boundaries are more important than the kidneys of some suckers.
Golden Eagle said ..
[Sri lankan navy should acquire the Milgem corvettes/frigates from Turkey.]
Welcome, Golden Eagle!
Surface vessels like corvettes and frigates have their place, but the problem with relying on SURFACE VESSELS ONLY for covering the VAST Indian Ocean around Sri Lanka is that they are SLOW (compared to aircraft) and we can afford only a FEW OF THESE at 250$M a pop.
On the otherhand, a HELIOPTER GUNSHIP CARRIER offsets the SLOWNESS of the ship with the HIGH SPEED and the much larger 360 DEGREE RANGE of VIEW from the AIR of the helicopters, giving the COMBINATION the ability to PATROL and PROTECT a much larger area of the Ocean. A GUNSHIP has the ability to OBSERVE a much larger area of the sea surface from the AIR than a ship on the sea surface.
When engaged, a GUNSHIP can bring Massive Firepower to bear on the enemy from any direction.
Moshe said that the stability of the landing deck could be a problem with MI-24s. I don't think so. Landing Fixed Wing Aircraft on conventional carriers is much more difficult, but is now routine with superior landing instruments supplemented by arrester wires and nets for safety backup, and even steam catapults to assist take off.
In the case of VTOL (Vertical Take Off and Landing) aircraft such as helicopters, and hybrid VTOL aircraft such as the British built Harrier, it is VERY MUCH EASIER to land on a heaving and pitching deck. One method of easing the landing process during STORMS would be to drop light leader ropes attached to heavier tie-down cables from the craft to the deck; these can be then by pulled to the deck using power winches, and locked in place.
A section of each fore and aft deck should have a built-in elevator that would enable the MI-24, or other payloads, to be moved below the deck to the storage and maintenance areas. In this area, of course, the MI-24 would be again be secured to the floor with steel links and cables, preventing it from rolling around in inclement weather. In this way, the valuable MI-24s, and other assets, can be protected from the weather, and be maintained under all-weather conditions.
In addition to the MI-24 and the smaller routine-use helicopters, such a GUNHIP CARRIER should have a flight of VTOL UAVs (BTW, I am developing these for mine detection and/or battlefield surveillance dual-use) for routine surveillance. This would greatly expand the surveillance range of the ship, enabling the GUNSHIP CARRIER FLEET to perform its mission of protecting Sri Lanka's seaboard at reduced cost.
Ananda
Yes the Milgem costs $250 million per ship, but that price for a stealth warship hard if not impossible to beat. We can buy a couple and then build a few more under license. This is what Pakistan plans to do to. Plus these ships can be used for WELL OVER 20 years and still be formidable because they are so high tech. Brazil just built one corvette last year for $260+ million and it was not even a stealth warship. The Milgem at its current price is a hell of a bargain.
Just imagine the tech knowledge we gain from building this stealth warship under license. This will be a quantum leap for our naval ship building ability.
Acquiring and building 8 milgems over 10 years will be about $2 billion. That comes to about $200 mil per year which we can afford now that the war is over. Not a bad price for a blue water fleet that will be with us for 20-30 years.
The milgems primary task should not be coastal surveillance but as the main naval force to be used to fight an external enemy(if it comes to that)
Ananda
I like your helicopter idea, but for 1 hour of flight the gunships need about 10 hours of maintainence. This will be hard to keep up I think.
For coastal surveillance I would like Sri lanka to develop patrol ships similar to the the Sea-fighter vessel that the U.S. navy has developed. They have a SWATH hull that gives them incredible stability even in rough weather. Plus with the SWATH hull they can achieve speeds of up to 50 knots. They can also travel over 8000km without refueling. I think the US is planning to build one that can cross the Atlantic ocean without re-fueling.
These ships can also carry 2 helicopters and much more UAVs and are even capable of launching smaller boats.
Just imagine, these are cheaper to build and operate that a helicopter carrier and they are much faster and manuveurable, plus they can carry two helicopters and many sea-scanning UAVs in one ship.
If Sri lanka can reaserch-develop and build about 10 55m long sea fighter type vessels, we can truly control our oceans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Sea_Fighter
Moshe, Ninja,
No doubt the sex was consensual and the kids are his..The question is did nanda menike resign from her pay and pension job in the IDP camps, along with fonny's retirement..
Anyways at least the topic has brought the first UNP=LTTP cocksucker to this blog, in the form of Dileepa..The all too familiar hiccups must be from deepthroating SF
ජනාධිපති අපේක්ෂනකයකුට රජයේ දේපොළ සිය මැතිවරණ කටයුතුවලට යොදා ගැනීම නීතියෙන් තහනම් කර තිබියදී ජෙනරාල් සරත් ෆොන්සේකා මහතා ඉල්ලා සිටින වාහන හා පිරිස් ලබාදෙන ලෙසට ආරක්ෂ ක බලධාරීන්ට නියෝග කිරීම උචිත ද එසේ නියෝගයක් කිරීම පවතින නීතිය සමඟ ගැටීමක් ද යන්න පිළිබඳව තවදුරටත් අධ්යෝනය කර ලබන 17 දාට සිය තීරණය ප්රීකාශයට පත් කරන බව ශ්රෝයෂ්ඨාධිකරණය දැනුම් දුන්නේය.
ජෙනරාල් සරත් ෆොන්සේකා මහතා ඉල්ලා සිටින්නේ රජයේ වාහන හා රජයේ පිරිස් සහ ආයුධ. රජයේ කිසිදු දේපොළක් මැතිවරණ කටයුතු සඳහා යොදා ගැනීම තහනම් කිරීමට 17 වැනි ආණ්ඩුක්රජම ව්ය්වස්ථා සංශෝධනයේ 104 වැනි වගන්තියෙන් මැතිවරණ කොමසාරිස්ට බලය පවරා තියෙනවා. ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා ඉල්ලන එම රජයේ දේපොළ දෙන ලෙසට නියෝගයක් කළහොත් එය මැතිවරණ කොමසාරිස්ගේ බලතල සමඟ ගැටීමක්. විධායකය - එනම් ආරක්ෂාක අංශ අතර එකඟත්වයක් ඇතිව යම් වැඩපිළිවෙළක් ඇති කර ගත්තාට කාරියක් නැහැ. මේ අවස්ථාවේදී අපගේ මැදිහත්වීමක් අවශ්යෂද? එය අපට කළ හැකි ද? මේ සම්බන්ධයෙන් තවදුරටත් සලකා බැලිය යුතුව ඇතැයි අගවිනිසුරු අශෝක එන්. සිල්වා මහතා සිය තීන්දුව එදිනට කල් තබමින් සඳහන් කළේය.
ශ්රෝ ෂ්ඨාධිකරණය කලින් දවසේ දුන් නියෝගයකට අනුව ජෙනරාල් සරත් ෆොන්සේකා මහතාට සැපයිය හැකි ආරක්ෂාිව පිළිබඳ රහස්යන තක්සේරු වාර්තාවක් නීතිපති මොහාන් පීරිස් මහතා ඊයේ මුලින්ම විනිසුරු මඬුqල්ල හමුවට ඉදිරිපත් කළේය.
අනතුරුව ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා මහතා ආරZක්ෂුක මාණ්ඩලික ප්රමධානියාව සිටියදී ඔහුට ලබා දී තිබූ ආරක්ෂාඉව පිළිබඳව විස්තර ඇතුළත් වාර්තාවක් ඔහු වෙනුවෙන් පෙනී සිටි ජනාධිපති නීතිඥ රොමේෂ් ද සිල්වා මහතා විසින් විනිසුරු මඬුල්ලේ හමුවට ඉදිරිපත් කරනු ලැබූ අතර එම ලියවිල්ල උඩින්ම "ඉතා රහසිගතයි" යනුවෙන් සඳහන් කර තිබිණි. එය ආරක්ෂකක මණ්ඩලය විසින් සකස් කරන ලද්දකි. එම ලියවිල්ල දුටු වහාම නැගීසිටි නීතිපති මොහාන් පීරිස් මහතා පැවසුවේ කවුරු හෝ අයකු විසින් හොරෙන් එම ලියවිල්ල පිට කර ඇති බවයි. "ඉතා රහසිගත" යෑයි සඳහන් ලියවිල්ලක් දැන් ප්රරසිද්ධ ලියවිල්ලක් බවට පත්වෙලා. රටේ ආරක්ෂාසවේ තරම ඉන් පෙනී යනවා. මෙය ඉතාමත් කනගාටුදායක තත්ත්වයක් යෑයි නීතිපතිවරයා කියා සිටියේය.
ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා මහතාගේ නීතිඥ රොමේෂ් ද සිල්වා මේ අවස්ථාවේදී කියා සිටියේ එම ලියවිල්ල තමාට තැපෑලෙන් ලැබුණ බවයි.
විනිසුරු - නිමල් ගාමිණී අමරතුංග මහතා - මේක කාගේත් අවධානය යොමු විය යුතු ඉතා බරපතල කාරණාවක්. ආරක්ෂික මණ්ඩලය භාරයේ තිබූ ඉතාමත් රහසිගත ලියවිල්ලක් හොර රහසේ පිට කිරීම කළ තැනැත්තා කවුරු හෝ වේවා ඔහුට එරෙහිව නීතිමය පියවර ගත යුතුයි.
යුද්ධය අවසන් වීමෙන් පසුවද එල්.ටී. ටී. ඊ. ත්රිස්තවාදීන් 2000 ක් පමණ නිදහසේ සැරිසරනා නිසා ඔවුන්ගෙන් තමාගේ ජීවිතයට මරණීය තර්ජන එල්ලවිය හැකි බැවින් ආරක්ෂා්වට අවශ්යත වාහන, පිරිස හා ආයුධ කොතෙක්ද යන්න විස්තර ඇතුළත් ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා මහතා විසින් පිළියෙල කරන ලද වාර්තාවක් ද ජනාධිපති නීතිඥ රොමේෂ් ද සිල්වා මහතා ඊයේ ශේ්රොෂ්ඨාධිකරණයට ඉදිරිපත් කළේය.
ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා මහතා යම් කාර්යයක් සඳහා නිවසින් පිටත්ව යන විට වෙනත් වාහනවලට හා ජනයාට ඔහු යන මාර්ගය වසා තැබීමට කටයුතු සලස්වන ලෙසට ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා එම වාර්තාවෙන් ඉල්ලීමක් කර ඇති බවද සඳහන් කළ රොමේෂ් ද සිල්වා මහතා ඒ පිළිබඳවද අවධානය යොමු කරන ලෙස ද විනිසුරු මඬුල්ලෙන් ඉල්ලා සිටියේය.
අගවිනිසුරු - ඒ ඉල්ලීමට ඉඩදෙන්න බැහැ. ප්රබභූවරුන් යෑයි කියන අය යන එන විට මාර්ග වසා දැමීමෙන් ජනතාවට විශාල හිරිහැරයකට මුහුණපාන්න සිදුවෙලා. ඒ තත්ත්වය ජනතාවට දැන් හොඳට එපාවෙලා දැඩි ලෙස විවේචනය කරනවා. ඔහුට වඩා ඉහළ නිලධාරියකු යනවිට වුවත් මෙවැනි මාර්ග අවහිර කිරීමක් සිදු කරනවට මම නම් අකැමැතියි.
රොමේෂ් සිල්වා - ස්වාමීනි, ජනාධිපති, ආරක්ෂරක ලේකම් හා හිටපු යුද හමුදාපති (ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා) යන තිදෙනාටම සමාන ආරක්ෂා-වක් ලබා දිය යුතුයි.
අගවිනිසුරු - පොලිස් ආරක්ෂායව සැපයීම සඳහා පමණක් සලකා බැලිය හැකියි. මාර්ගය අවහිර කරන්න දෙන්න බැහැ.
නීතිපති මොහාන් පිරිස් මහතා වැඩිදුරටත් කියා සිටියේ ජෙනරාල් ෆොන්සේකා මහතා පෙත්සමෙන් කර ඇති ඉල්ලීමේ කිසිදු නීතිමය පදනමක් නැති බවයි. ඔහු ඉල්ලා සිටින්නේ නීතියෙන් හිමි නැති විශේෂ වරප්රමසාදයක්. හිටපු ජනාධිපතිවරුන්ට හමුදා ජෙනරාල්වරුන්ට දිය යුතු වරප්රයසාද මොනවාදැයි යන්න නීතියෙන් පැහැදිලිව සඳහන් කර තිබෙනවා. හිටපු ජනාධිපති චන්ද්රි කා බණ්ඩාරනායක භුක්ති විඳිමින් සිටි වැඩිපුර වරප්රිසාද ශේ්රබෂ්ඨාධිකරණය කපා හැරියා. නීතියෙන් හිමි නැති වරප්රාසාද භුක්ති විඳීම දූෂිත වැරැදි ක්රි්යාවක් බවයි ශේ්රරෂ්ඨාධිකරණය ඒ පිළිබඳ තීන්දුව ප්රිකාශයට පත් කරමින් සඳහන් කළේ. ඒ නඩු තීන්දුව දැන් තියෙනවා.
/The question is did nanda menike resign from her pay and pension job in the IDP camps, along with fonny's retirement../
Why is that?
Ananda and GE,
there is no instance, to my knowledge, ships carrying Mi-24s for combat. but we can use a DOLPHIN copter onboard our OPVs.
Mi-24s should be stationed on land close to marshalling points.
blue water combat should be left to sea caft.
more than anything we need RADAR that can scan the large swath of area. we don't have this.
seriously SL is considering (1) the possible (2) feasibility (3) of having a sattelite. its main task would be to monitor sea movements.
midget subs also make sense. that is an exciting possibility.
Why is that?
Coz fonny got that job for her...I expect he did cover his tracks..Nanda Menike and the kids are probably out of the country by now..
Moshe,
[there is no instance, to my knowledge, ships carrying Mi-24s for combat. but we can use a DOLPHIN copter onboard our OPVs.
Mi-24s should be stationed on land close to marshalling points.
blue water combat should be left to sea caft.]
These statements are ONLY ad hoc ASSERTIONS on your part.
They are not based on ANY OBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT of economic, technical, and operational feasibility of my proposal.
Conventional approaches are MEANT TO BE VIOLATED by those who cannot AFFORD them and are inventive enough to create alternative practical solutions.
"Nanda Menike and the kids are probably out of the country by now"
Not probably. We all know very well that both Diyasena and Moshe Dyan live in abroad.
HIKz
Golden Eagle said ..
[For coastal surveillance I would like Sri lanka to develop patrol ships similar to the the Sea-fighter vessel that the U.S. navy has developed. ]
The core concept of my proposal is to combine slow moving surface vessels with fast moving VTOL craft such as attack helicopters, float-equipped smaller helicopters and UAVs, leveraging existing assets, to obtain a comprehensive DEEP OCEAN capability.
My proposal was not for near-shore coastal surveillance, but for DEEP OCEAN operations. Clearly, there is need for defending the coastline and the littoral waters. But, these is also a need to detect and interdict enemy operations thousands of kilometers away from our shores, and these need a DEEP OCEAN naval capability in contrast to a LITTORAL defense.
What are these deep ocean threats? For example,
1. The LTTE can use MOTHER ships stationed thousands of kilometers away in the Indian ocean to periodically launch terrorist operations against Sri Lanka. These ships will supply, launch and recover the fast terrorist vessels. As you know, the LTTE used this approach to bring in weapons and ammunition to the Wanni in the past.
2. The LTTE has established operational bases not only in Tamil Nadu, but in Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Of grerater worry is that they may have setup permanent bases, largely beyond the oversight of national governments, in islands in the Indian Ocean such as those in the Andaman Island chain, the Maldives, to name but two. These islands are well beyond the normal operating range of our naval ships.
Onboard use of The MI-24s
Yes, the MI-24 consumes lots of fuel, but it is not meant for routine use. It is meant for those occasions when you need a mailed fist with massive firepower. A deep ocean naval task force WITHOUT TEETH to attack with massive force ON DEMAND is OF NO USE AT ALL if you have to send for reinforcements from thosands of kilometers away, and WAIT for them to arrive at the scene. That is why the MI-24s are needed; they provide the TEETH to be used when needed.
Catamaran Twin Hulls
Catamaran Twin Hulled vessels are a good idea that increases seaworthiness (stability), reduces the draught of the vessel enabling deployment near-inshore as well as in the deep-ocean, and reduces the fuel consumption by cutting down on wave-making resistance to the motion of the vessel.
The problem, of course, is that it will require a completely new design, and we will not be able to leverage the gifts of ships we are receiving from the LTTE, and old ships we can buy worldwide for mere cents on the dollar. We always need to concentrate on saving money.
BTW, The US Army is sponsoring the development of a much larger twin hulled vessel for cross-ocean operations, to transport entire Divisions together with their Armored Assets. It is called the HSV-X1. It is awesome in its projected capabilities for rapid deployment. It should be able to adapt this concept on a smaller scale to deep sea patrolling as well.
Golden Eagle,
I failed to EMPHASIZE, I think the twin hulled catamaran, pressed into service as an ATTACK HELICOPTER CARRIER along the lines of my proposal, is a good idea, subject to being affordable.
Thanks for the SEa_Fighter link! :)
ananda,
"These statements are ONLY ad hoc ASSERTIONS on your part.
They are not based on ANY OBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT of economic, technical, and operational feasibility of my proposal."
BS!!
i posted the technical/operational assessment yesterday.
in short, Mi-24s are too heavy, need alot of stability to land on a ship which a 2,000 MT ship simply cannot afford.
we are going to lose our precious few Mi-24s onboard a ship NOT MEANT TO carry them!!
experimental US craft is out of the question. we need economical and practical solutions.
have a look at the threat before jumping into IMPRACTICAL conclusions.
1. LTTE uses SL waters close to shore.
solution - FACs, gunships, J-7s, etc.
2. LTTE uses SL waters far away from the shore.
solution 1 - our ships can look after them. they have done so.
solution 2 - IF our ships cannot look after them, FINE. take them on when closer to shore. IF the LTTE threat does not come close to shore AND our ships cannot handle them in DEEP seas, do NOTHING.
e.g. a LTTE ship trasfers weapons to another ship 799km away from SL and both ships are going to leave the area and sail away. we detect them. we attack them and they escape. SLN has limits. such a situ requires the military assistance of india, USA, china, etc.
FACT 1 - our biggest threat lies close to shore.
FACT 2 - most next level threats lies in deep seas that CAN be handled by our ships (with/without a small heli onboard)
FACT 3 - habitual violation if SL blue waters can be EASILY handled by our capabilities
FACT 4 - ad hoc violation of SL deep seas with no threat to SL security must be ignored unless we get help from another country or the violation very badly affect us economically.
diyasena,
i don't think so, mate. given that even SF went abroad with EXTREME DIFFICULTY and BY LUCK, it is very unlikely (but possible) that nandamenike's 2 sons are abroad.
also the peaceful tamil elamist at asian tribune (KTR) said he can arrange DNA testing if allowed. (his political views are wrong but that does not mean EVERYTHING he says is wrong). he seems to know their whereabouts. i guess a lot of army fellows know. and there is no offence here. its only an act against moral turpitude. ppl must be made aware of it after establishing the truth. they need to know.
dileepa,
de fonseca is a jewish name BTW but i have no confusion about my parents!!!
diyasena cannot be SF's son bcos diyasena is a mythical war hero, a superhero pure sri lankans, not a half american. also he cannot be the son of a man who's scared to to go to kilinochchi even 4 months after it was liberated.
MR, being a politico has travelled to LTTE controlled areas (vaharai, PTK, mula, madu, menik farm, kili, etc.) following their liberation more than SF!!!
Obama, The Man of Peace, Now Wages War!
He now follows in the Footsteps of the Mahinda Rajapaksa Government of Sri Lanka, to secure peace and security for his people and his nation.
This, once again proves,the REALITY that War is sometimes Necessary to Confront & Defeat Unmitigated Evil in Our Midst.
When we Patriots proposed President Mahinda Rajapaksa, Defence Secretary Gothabhaya Rajapaksa and Chief of Defence Staff General Sarath Fonseka for the Nobel Peace Prize, there were many who ridiculed the idea calling them war mongers unworthy of that honour.
We Patriots KNEW in our hearts and minds that protecting the innocent and the vulnerable against a monstrous enemy, fufilling one's sworn duty to protect and defend the nation and its people, and restore peace and security to the nation, was a noble, compassionate and peaceful act of the highest order. It was a plea for global recognition of people who had ALREADY DELIVERED PEACE.
Now, President Obama, who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize WITHOUT HAVING EARNED IT, argues that war is necessary for the Preservation of Peace, just as the Mahinda Rajapaksa GOSL did and was roundly criticized for it, not too long ago.
We see Western journalists rationalizing correctly the transformation of Obama, the man of peace, to Obama the Man of Justifiable war .. and we applaud them, for it recognizes the TRUTH that in this imperfect people REALITY, and concern for the welfare of human beings, demands just that: WAR.
We only ASK, nay WE DEMAND, that the same journalistic understanding be granted to our great heroes, when they enter the field of battle to deliver the fruits of peace to their people. What is good for the goose, should be good for the gander, as well.
Western Double Standards and Double Speak, WE DON'T NEED!
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In Oslo, Obama tries to reconcile early antiwar rhetoric with prevailing realities
By Dan Balz
WashingtonPost.com
December 11, 2009
If any further evidence were needed of the distance between running for president and being president, it came Thursday in Oslo as President Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize. The politician who had sought the White House as the champion of the antiwar forces in his party spoke as the commander in chief, offering a principled defense of waging just wars.
In Oslo, Obama tries to reconcile early antiwar rhetoric with prevailing realities
.....continued.....
The incongruity of a president accepting the peace prize at a time when his nation is conducting battles in Iraq and Afghanistan was lost on no one, most notably Obama. He confronted this head-on.
The Nobel ceremonies came little more than a week after Obama announced that he would be sending 30,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan. As he put it starkly, "Some will kill and some will be killed. And so I come here with an acute sense of the costs of armed conflict."
Seven years ago, in a now-famous speech on the eve of a congressional vote to give then-President George W. Bush the authority to take the country to war against Iraq, Obama, who was an Illinois state senator at the time, said: "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."
That statement was a precursor to what Obama said Thursday in Oslo, but the 2002 speech has been remembered only for its vigorous criticism of the pending conflict in Iraq as well as Obama's prescient description of what might happen if the United States invaded.
"I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences," he said. "I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda."
His speech in Oslo may be remembered for his argument in favor of war as an instrument designed to secure peace. Obama recalled the nonviolent examples of Mahatma Gandhi and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. He acknowledged that he is a direct beneficiary of what nonviolent protest achieved for African Americans. He said, "There's nothing weak -- nothing passive, nothing naive -- in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King."
But then came the admission that his decisions are shaped by a perspective that is a long distance from that of those men, as well as from that of a young state senator from Illinois or underdog presidential candidate. "As a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation," he said, "I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake, evil does exist in the world."
Obama drew some criticism after his speech at West Point for not showing passion in defense of his escalation or offering the rhetoric of victory at all costs that marked Bush's advocacy of using force after Sept. 11, 2001. If anything, Obama's speech in Oslo was a more eloquent and direct statement of why he believes a larger war in Afghanistan is necessary and just.
But it was not full-throated. It was instead in keeping with Obama's lawyerly approach to difficult issues and to his belief that the either/or choices are often false choices and that the truth lies somewhere in between. As he put it, "The instruments of war do have a role to play in preserving the peace. And yet this truth must coexist with another: that no matter how justified, war promises human tragedy."
In Chicago seven years ago, Obama couched his opposition to a war in Iraq in terms that allowed room for him to emerge as a potential commander in chief who would not shrink from using force as necessary.
In Oslo, Obama tries to reconcile early antiwar rhetoric with prevailing realities
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In Oslo, he shaded his defense of war with hard-headed words about the difficulty of waging peace. "I understand why war is not popular," he said, "but I know this:
The belief that peace is desirable is rarely enough to achieve it. Peace requires responsibility. Peace entails sacrifice."
What he may not have imagined in 2002 is that it would be left to him to finish what Bush started -- not only in Iraq, but in Afghanistan. Here were his words that day in October in Chicago: "You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with bin Laden and al-Qaeda through effective, coordinated intelligence and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings."
At the time, his prescription for finishing the fight with Osama bin Laden did not include an explicit call to arms. The war in Afghanistan was then a year old, and although bin Laden was still at large, the action would soon shift to Iraq. A military escalation in Afghanistan was not on anyone's radar.
Now Obama is commander in chief, and Afghanistan is his battle. Finishing the fight with bin Laden and al-Qaeda is his responsibility. In Oslo, he confronted all those realities, bearing burdens that no candidate ever does.
Ananda aiya,
Moshe is right with the assessment on carrying Hinds on ships..If this was feasible the Soviets/ Russians would have tried this..I may be wrong, but the Americans dont seem to carry their attack helicopters on ships either..
Moshe Dayan said ..
[in short, Mi-24s are too heavy, need alot of stability to land on a ship which a 2,000 MT ship simply cannot afford.]
BS!! This is arrant nonsense!
An MI-24 is 12MT, and a ship anywhere from 5,000 - 10,000 MT (OK, even 2,000 MT if you want to low-ball it). So, the weight of the MI-24s is a very small fraction of the ships displacement. A ship of that displacement can easily carry many thousands of MT's of cargo.
Such a large difference between the payload of the ship and the MI-24 also means that the stability of the ship won't be affected much by the MI-24s.
The impact motion of the ship in rough seas can be offset as I had explained earlier, and is a much less serious issue for VTOLs than for fixed wing aircraft landing on carrier runways.
More to follow.
Dileepan thampi,
Just because your mother was visited by many Singala uncles prior to your birth, does not necessarily mean everyone is confused about their parents..I descend from people who fought and bled at the front..Not people who took the credit afterwards..Moshe Dayan led the obliteration of 4 armies in Six days, who once wowed to finish what Hitler started..So anyones using that name cannot descend from SF..
However if you feel Phony (I mean fonny) is your appa, please dont hesitate to set-up a DNA test
Diyasena said ...
[If this was feasible the Soviets/ Russians would have tried this..I may be wrong, but the Americans dont seem to carry their attack helicopters on ships either..]
Well, both of these nations have much better solutions, CURRENTLY designed to confront different much more sophisticated enemies. They have aircraft carriers with much faster fixed wing aircraft.
As they begin to realize that a significant fraction of future wars will be asymetric, and directed against terror/guerilla groups that neveryheless control territory in less developmed countries, they will move towards developing the kinds of weapons systems I am proposing. This transformation is currently underway.
Their enemies are different from ours: they have to cope with superpowers with sophisticated anti-aircraft defense systems,; we don't. So, they need very high speed fixed-wing aircraft with advanced avionics; we generally don't.
We are trying to counter an enemy operating at a much lower level of sophistication, and we can make do with lower technology, thus saving money. The weapons should be tailored to our enemy, and should not bankrupt us.
Moshe,
Sikorsky SH-60 Helicopter weighs 6,895 kg (7 MT approx)
It is carried on board the Milgem class corvettes which have a displacement of 2,000 MT.
I proposed carrying two 12MT MI-24 on board a 5,000-10,000 MT a freighter converted into a HELICOPTER CARRIER.
Since you like numbers, let us linearly extrapolate for fun: (7/2000)*5000= 17.5MT !
(7/2000)*10,000= 35MT
So, if a 7MT SH-60 can be carried onboard a 2,000MT corvette, why is it difficult for you to accept that a two 12MT Mi-24 can be carried onboard my hypothetical 5,000 - 10,000MT helicopter carrier?
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SPECS: Milgem class corvette
Class overview
Name: Milgem (Ada class / F-100 class)
Building: 2
Planned: 12
General characteristics
Type: Corvette / Frigate
Displacement: 2,000 t
Length: 99.00 m
Beam: 14.40 m
Draught: 3.75 m
Propulsion: 1 gas turbine, 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 30,000 kW
Speed: Economy: 15 knots
Maximum: 29+ knots
Range: 3,500 nautical miles (6,480 km) @ 15 knots
Endurance: 21 days with logistic support, 10 days autonomous
Complement: 93 including aviation officers, with accommodation for up to 104
Sensors and
processing systems: Fire control: G-MSYS (GENESIS Milgem Savaş Yönetim Sistemi)
Search radar: SMART-S Mk2
Sonar: TBT-01 Other sensors: X-Band radar, fire control radar, navigation radar, LPI radar, sonar
Navigation and communication systems: Electronic Navigation, SatCom, ECDIS/WECDIS, GPS, LAN
Combat Management System: GENESIS (Gemi Entegre Savaş İdare Sistemi)
Navigation and ship control: EPKİS (Entegre Platform Kontrol ve İzleme Sistemi)
Integrated Platform Management
System: Imtech UniMACS 3000
Electronic warfare
and decoys: EW radar, Laser/RF systems, ASW jammers, DG, SSTD
Armament: Guns:
1 x 76 mm (retractable for lower radar cross section, guidance by fire control radar and electro-optical systems), A position
2 x 12.7 mm Aselsan STAMP Stabilized Machine Gun Platform (guidance by Laser/IR/TV and electro-optical systems, automatic and manual modes), B position
Anti-surface missiles:
8 x Harpoon (and/or RBS15 Mk.III and/or NSM)
Anti-aircraft missiles:
21 x RAM (PDMS)
Mk.41 VLS for ESSM (F-100 class)
Torpedoes:
2 x 324 mm Mk.32 triple launchers for Mk.46 torpedoes
Aircraft carried: Hangar and platform for:
S-70-B2 Seahawk ASW helicopters
Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV)
Capability of storing armaments, 20 tons of JP-5 aircraft fuel, aerial refueling (HIRF) systems and maintenance systems
SPECS: Sikorsky SH-60 Seahawk Helicopter
Crew: 3–4
Capacity: 5 passengers in cabin or slung load of 6,000 lb or internal load of 4,100 lb for -B, -F and -H models and 11 passengers or slung load of 9,000 lb for -S
Length: 64 ft 8 in (19.75 m)
Rotor diameter: 53 ft 8 in (16.35 m)
Height: 17 ft 2 in (5.2 m)
Disc area: 2,262 ft² (210 m²)
Empty weight: 15,200 lb (6,895 kg)
Loaded weight: 17,758 lb (8,055 kg)
Useful load: 6,684 lb (3,031 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 21,884 lb (9,927 kg)
Powerplant: 2× General Electric T700-GE-401C turboshaft, 1,890 shp (1,410 kW) take-off power each
Performance
Maximum speed: 180 knots (333 km/h, 207 mph)
Cruise speed: 146 knots
Range: 450 nmi (834 km) at cruise speed
Service ceiling: 12,000 ft (3,580 m)
Rate of climb: 1,650 ft/min (8.38 m/s)
Armament
Up to three Mark 46 torpedos or Mark 50 torpedos,
AGM-114 Hellfire missile, 4 Hellfire missiles for SH-60B and HH-60H, 8 Hellfire missiles for MH-60S Block III.
AGM-119 Penguin missile (being phased out),
M60 machine gun or, M240 machine gun or GAU-16/A machine gun or GAU-17/A Minigun
Rapid Airborne Mine Clearance System (RAMICS) using Mk 44 Mod 0 30 mm Cannon
Moshe,
I understated the weight of the SH-60 Sea Hawk. It can be as large as 10MT when fully loaded.
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[Empty weight: 15,200 lb (6,895 kg)
Loaded weight: 17,758 lb (8,055 kg)
Useful load: 6,684 lb (3,031 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 21,884 lb (9,927 kg)]
Ananda
Yeah I think that the catamaran hull is a very good idea.
But the sea fighter vessel is not a catamaran. It has he SWATH hull which is different from the catamaran hull because it has far more of its weight below the surface of the water. As a result it is much more stable than single hull or catamaran vessels in rough sea.
I think that Sea fighter type vessels are the future. So big yet so fast and agile. To build one in Lanka, we need to learn how to build SWATH hulls. If we can get that right then the rest should be easier, we will need to buy a good radar system to be equip it with and maybe also a 40mm cannon.
The wide open LANDING AREA of a sea fight type craft can easily accomodate two Mi-24 or many armed or unarmed UAVs.
But for deep sea operations we will need the Milgem types ships in the future. They will crush any LTTE or other hostile vessel in one blow while have the radar signature of a small fishing boat.
There is simply no other stealth warship on the market for the price of the 100m long Milgem. Plus Turkey is open to have them be build under license in the customer countries.
Thats why many asian and latin american countries are interested in the Milgem.
Think of acquiring and building them under license as an investment that will serve us for the next 30 years.
BTW the sea fighter vessel also has range of 4400 nm. That is a massive range, so they effectively can patrol in the deep ocean if need be.
The sea fighter is build by high strength aluminum.
ananda,
now you are talking complete bullshit.
1. your calculation is flawed. it is not based on a liner regression.
2. also you cannot compare a purpose built frigate with a ship carrying 2 Mi-24s converted from a freighter!! their hul structures, manuevarability, load distribution, stability are totally different.
3. relying on a converted freighter to carry 2, US$ 6 million Mi-24s is downright absurd. it may be VERY easily targeted destroying more than 10% of the SL's Mi-24 gunships, at least. "fitting" armaments to to a merchant vessel converted to an "air craft carrier" is even more ridiculous.
4. OTOH given the threat to our ships, such a freighter cannot rely on other attack vessels.
5. SL already has ships that carry CHETAK, DOLPHIN helis. and SL already has or has access to have (more) CHETAK, DOLPHIN helis. these are purpose built to go onboard ships!!
why reinvent the wheel???
6. the cost of converting a 10,000 MT feighter to carry 2 Mi-24s, equip with other communication, radar, defence, fire control mechanisms is prohibitively high and does not guarantee efficiency.
7. further the real IMPRACTICABILITY of your argument goes like this.
Mi-24 has a range of 450km. using its full range is unwise. assuming 415km is the practical maximum, it can only travel in a circle of 50 km from the ship. that too ONLY ONCE without hoovering. even this is too long if armed.
2.pi.r + 2.r
having two helicopters does not make it ANY BETTER!!!!! (lol!!)
it covers MUCH less than 7,857 sq km bcos it only goes in the periphery. this is just 1.7% of SL's outer waters!!!
the surveillance work this MAY perform can be easily done by existing technology, the proper way.
8. if an attack capability and direct reach is needed on top of the ships' speed, there are MUCH BETTER choices than Mi-24s!!!
they also serve the OTHER MAIN NAVY task of rescue as well.
i can agree with milgem, though. it has multiple uses with good attack capability.
Speaking of Corvettes around the time of the CFA, the Russians were willing to sell some of their Grisha class corvettes for almost scrap metal..But Osteo Fernando and Milinda Horagoda, decided to get a friggin coast guard cutter and fit it with armaments..I mean when you only have to patrol 1/3rd of SL's waters why would you need those ships?
"Osteo Fernando and Milinda Horagoda"
i call him autism fernando.
without shame he said only 44 intel guys were killed after the GREAT BETRAYAL.
SF goes down and down every passing day. now his camp is blaming the govt for not accepting the LTTE surrender!!!
and SF was out of the country at that time so he saves his arse.
from the island.
"The government yesterday said that a fresh attempt was being made to blame the Sri Lankan government for turning down an LTTE offer to surrender a few days before the army wiped out the last organised LTTE resistance on the banks of the Nanthikadal lagoon.
A top government spokesman told The Island that this was an Opposition strategy to denigrate the Sri Lanka government before the international community. Responding to our queries, he said that the Opposition had fuelled speculation that the Norwegians had contacted Basil Rajapaksa, MP after the LTTE sought their help to facilitate an unconditional surrender. He said that Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapaksa had been accused of dismissing the LTTE appeal when it was brought to his notice by his brother Basil before directing the 58 Division to finish off the Tigers.
This was likely to be a key opposition standpoint at the presidential election."
so now we know who the greatest patriot is. rohan gunaratna is right
SF should either tie his dogs or become a dog and start barking like them. looks like he is following the third dirty option of telling his homos military secrets to attack GRand pretend he doesn't know anything.
ananda,
a compromise.
HAL dhruv helicopter is what we need. the price would be reasonable, india will sell it to us given the commonalities. it has enough fire power and easy to carry given its light weight.
even the maldives navy uses that.
Moshe,
All and good..But has India's no sales of offensive weapons policy changed? It is useless now of course, since they cannot be used to genocide(TM) the superior race
According to this survey done by Lanka News Web and LTTE intel.
Mahinda Rajapakse -1000%
Sarath Fonseka +600%
Ranil Wickramasinghe +1200%
Wickramasinghe and Fonseka campaign is invincible at this point.
Percy Mahinda Rajapaksa
is a Sinhala Kurakkan name.. lolz
Moshedyan and Diyasena is one person or twins from two balls of SF?
HIKz :)
Moshe
I am convinced that the Milgem is the way to go for SLN. The turks will allow them to be license built if we puchase atleast 1 from them. A fleet of 8 or 10 would be good for an island our size with its sea territory.
This baby is a full fledged 21st century warship.
Moshe,
[a compromise.
HAL dhruv helicopter is what we need. the price would be reasonable, india will sell it to us given the commonalities. it has enough fire power and easy to carry given its light weight.
even the maldives navy uses that.]
You went all half-cocked by focusing on the MI-24.
The BASIC IDEA was to use relatively slow helicopter carriers, with a few fast moving attack helicopters to cover vast areas of the ocean, while retaining the ability to deploy massive firepower .. when needed.
WHICH SHIPS are used as the helicopter carrier, and WHICH HELICOPTERS are used as the attack helicopters onboard them, are SECONDARY considerations.
I suggested converting freighters to carriers (as they successfully did in WWII, particularly in the Pacific island-hopping War against the Japanese) and using our existing Mi-24s, to save money.
If we can afford the Milgem's, which I too like, GREAT!
If smaller attack helicopters that we have, or can buy at lower cost, will serve, GREAT!
Whatever gives the BEST combination of High Performance and Low Cost and meets our deep ocean patrolling objectives is what we want. But, however good a solution is, if it is beyond our means .. it is no good for us. THen, we have to come up with AFFORDABLE alternatives.
BTW, I don't agree with your lastest post on ship stability, ship facilities, and strength of ship structure, etc arguments. Ship structure can be modified as necessary. Also keep in mind, in my concept high speed, manouverability etc of the carrier is not critical .. it just needs to be seaworthy and of the appropriate size .. the other minimal set of necessary features can be built-in.
I do agree that if the cost of converting a freighter turns out to be MORE than buying a purpose built ship, like the Sea-Fighter SWATH hull ship Golden Eagle proposes, then we should go that route within the concept of a deep-ocean capable Attack Helicopter Carrier. I was figuring that Sri Lanka's low wages could help with reducing the cost of conversion.
I like Golden Eagle's idea of paying whatever mucho funds for the first purpose-built vessel (a deep ocean capable properly instrumented Sea-Fighter, or a Milgem capable of carrying at least two powerful attack helicopters), and then copying it .. under license from Whomever .. to make the rest of the ships we need .. is a very good one .. if the manufacturers would agree to that sort of deal.
Obviously, good radar coverage and UAVs (the Milgem corvettes deploy both a heli, and UAVs) are necessary on the CARRIER. I don't know whether a Milgem can carry two capable attack helicopters.
My idea of using converted freighters was based on the realization that, if you have fast attack helicopters you can compromise on the speed of the Helicopter Carrier as long as it has the required size to serve as one, and can be converted/built for very little money.
Moshe said ..
[Mi-24 has a range of 450km. using its full range is unwise. assuming 415km is the practical maximum, it can only travel in a circle of 50 km from the ship. that too ONLY ONCE without hoovering. even this is too long if armed.
2.pi.r + 2.r
having two helicopters does not make it ANY BETTER!!!!! (lol!!)
it covers MUCH less than 7,857 sq km bcos it only goes in the periphery. this is just 1.7% of SL's outer waters!!!]
Yo, Moshe!
The Mi-24s don't do the routine patrolling; they do the attacking, after smaller helis/UAVs/radar have found the enemy and directed the Mi-24s to them.
So, using your numbers, the distance is 2.r + 30km safety margin .
Therefore, the Mi-24 can attack an enemy 210km away and return safely to the Carrier. :)
Haste makes Waste!
/Army Ex Capt by the Name of Senaka Haripriya Arnold Perera who was thrown out from the army on disciplinary grounds is handling the finances of Gen Sarath Fonseka. Whole of Sri Lanka Army know who he is. Why Gen Fonseka has gone to this level .....we don`t know/
/ Diyasena said...
Why is that?
Coz fonny got that job for her...I expect he did cover his tracks..Nanda Menike and the kids are probably out of the country by now../
/Moshe Dyan said...
diyasena, ninja,
yes it was consensual sex with nanda meneike. on christmas day 1975, he screwed another woman whose identity is not revealed. she was just a domestic aid whereas nandamenike was a soldier.
at the same time our chap was carrying on with a 15 year old school girl!!!/
Well, having another affair is illegal but I don't care about that as long as its consensual. So many men, women including rulers have done so through out history. However, having sex with under age gals, or rape are things a society can't tolerate. In SL society whatever injustice happened to females usually goes under carpet. If these things happened years before its likely these women forget about this and move on with their life instead of for fighting against the rapist. I think, media has duty to do finding and inform the voters and voters will decide they believe or not.
WTF?
Plane heading for Lanka with weapons detained
/WTF?
Plane heading for Lanka with weapons detained/
1.This is bound for Pakistan or 2.KP's delayed order or 3.Super duper plan from diasspora to destroy Colombo.
Ananda aiya,
Why does the fire power have to be airborne? Cant we get Missile frigates instead
More information about PLA and Kones. If these are the remnants of LTTE, send them to Eelam please. All whaht we want to know is that they all became mahavera's.
Ninja,
It is probably 3..IF the plane was heading for Pakistan it would have flown over China and landed in Kyrgyzstan or Uzbekistan..This must have been for the PLA to begin their insurgency...
Diyasena,
If it is for PLA, how are they going to unload the cargo? There is no airstrip to land and our air recon is very active these days even to enter our air space thanks TAF. Did they try to land elsewhere and smuggle in to SL by sea? I hope that our SF boys are active these days in East.
/General Fonseka speaks on the killings of the LTTE s Pulidevan, Nadeson and Ramesh: Gota Ordered Them To Be Shot -General Sarath Fonseka/
After all genral thuma just need revenge from his juniour officer gota. Thats all he needs. He just can't set up a wise plan to frame gota in international court without damaging himself a tthe same time. Thats all the problem he has...
Ninja,
Sorry to say this, but we are seeing the metamorphosis of
War Hero->Asshole->Traitor
He has started disgracing the own army he lead fearlessly. I hope that he will come to normal senses soon.
Sam,
It is a bit of a quandary why they landed in a mainstream airport in Thailand..The plan might have been to land in Thailand or Cambodia and smuggle the stuff in through larger boats, to be exchanged later with fishing boats (Now that there is no sea tigers).
However it could be that the plane was forced to land in an airport by the Thai air force after the USA tipoff
Ninja,
This kind of lowlife action by Fonseka may not be well received by the officers who took orders from him. Regardless, he is talking about operational issues he has sworn to protect.
From what I hear security in the East is a bit lax atm..There is a huge presence but the mindset of the boys has become relaxed..The Sinhalese have a habit of forgiving and forgetting too easily..
As someone correctly pointed out before in the blog, the Eastern operations were a land capturing exercise, not a harvesting strategy as in the North..So there probably are some terras prowling about..Plus the seaboard between Tangalle and Trinco is particularly not well guarde(as we see by the number of boat people)..Developing the Oluvil harbour and putting a naval detachment there is an idea worth considering
War hero General Fonseka has become the Asshole Fonseka. Instead of settling his score with Gota, he has started disgracing the army he lead. This is an act unbecoming of an officer of SLA and a leader of the nation.
Fonseka surly shows great signs of becoming the next president of Sri Lanka. May blessings of triple gems be with the people of Sri Lanka!!
Diyasena said ...
[Why does the fire power have to be airborne? Cant we get Missile frigates instead]
Firepower, per se', does not have to be airborne, and certainly missile frigates can provide firepower. But, firepower is one factor, detection, tracking and targeting the enemy is the other. Despite what people say, it is difficult to detect low-profile targets by surface ship radar alone. Countries, such as the US, combine many methods of detection like surface radar, submarine sonar, satellite imagery, and intelligence gathered by airborne AWAC radars. In general, we don't have access to all that information, and largely have to rely on our own resources, which are radar, UAVs and patrolling aircraft. In the future, we may have satellite imaging capabilities by piggy backing on Indian or Chinese satellites.
Also, missile frigates can't travel from one place to another as fast as aircraft can, so they cannot cover as large an area of the ocean. Furthermore, since WWII, it is widely recognized that aircraft are much better than surface vessels for fighting ocean surface based enemy vessels. That is why, no one builds large battleships anymore; they are just too vulnerable. Instead, now most surface ships are small: corvettes, frigates, destroyers and very rarely cruisers .. all equipped with missiles, and very deadly offensively. Only large naval ships still being built are carriers. Military planners are very worried, because although they enable the projection of power in far away places, they are also extremely vulnerable to aircraft- and land-based missiles. As such, they are always surrounded by a cordon of missile ships providing a missile shield.
Aircraft with missiles can travel fast and carry the required missiles. But, ordinary fixed-wing aircraft require long runways, and if carrier-based, require large carriers, which few countries can afford to buy and operate.
Hence the Attack Helicopter Carrier Concept. Attack helicopters are not as fast as fixed-wing aircraft, and don't have as great a range as fixed-wing aircraft do, but they can provide as much firepower, and use the same types of missiles as fixed-wing aircraft. When deployed in combination with the Attack Helicopter Carriers, they provide the capability to maintain a screen of surveillance with embedded interdiction capabilities around Sri Lanka, at less cost .. perhaps .. than by other methods.
The Harrier, on the other hand, being a fixed-wing aircraft with a Vertical Take Off and Landing (VTOL) capability, combines the advantages of helicopters with the speed, range and fuel economy of fixed-wing aircraft. However, the Harriers are very expensive to buy and maintain, and are not made available to all countries by the British.
Consequently, the small ATTACK HELICOPTER CARRIER concept is a good compromise between the size and affordability of the carrier and the speed and range of the aircraft. Particularly so, because the enemies we are targeting are not as sophisticated as these other countries have to face. At this time, we are definitely engaged in asymmetric warfare; not a war between nation states. Being a poor country, we have to cut the cloth to fit our purse, keeping in mind the nature and capabilities of our enemies.
Ananda aiya,
OK, sounds fair enough...After all as they 'aluth aluth dey nonimawana jaathiya lowa nonagi'..Maybe u should send the idea to MOD once the election fever subsides..
ananda,
haste makes waste!!
my foot!!
(i like this fighting. better to fight with a patriot on a productive topic than with a traitor over his sister)
why use a Mi-24 for that???
Mi-24s have provision for carrying about 10 troops as well. this is not required. the india copter i suggested weighs about 2,500 kg and can do all what a MIL can do.
the russian have the KAMOV series helis for ships. it has no such troop carrying capabilities, only fire power.
"look before you leap"
lol!
GE,
i'm in agreement with milgems. that's the future for SL.
Dileepa kazuthai,
What's in a name??..The father of the nation was Don Stephen and the leader of the Singalese revival Solomon West Dias Ridgeway? The father of your own eunuch leader Ranil was Esmond
diyasena,
yes. india gave us t-55 battle tanks. various motars, artillery, upgraded our Mi-24s, overhauled out MiGs, etc.
india has sold it to many countries including israel, maldives, etc.
diyasena,
yes. india gave us t-55 battle tanks. various motars, artillery, upgraded our Mi-24s, overhauled out MiGs, etc.
india has sold it to many countries including israel, maldives, etc.
Moshe,
Thats great then..I wasn't sure if whether the Indians werent willing to give us the Chetaks when we bought Saryu/ Sayura..Maybe we didnt want to buy them
sam,
didn't i tell you yesterday???
now who is the REAL hero???
SF is a coward sakkiliya trying hard to betray the nation AT ANY COST. govt should get him behind bars. a choice of crimes are available.
1. lasantha/MTV attacks
2. corruption
3. misapprorpiation of state funds to pay for nanda menike
4. divulging national defence sectrets to the public.
5. killing hundres of soldeirs due to incompetent battle planning
6. harbouring deserters in premises controlled by him/his henchmen
this is only the start. SF's camp is planning to GO TO TOWN OVER THIS ISSUE IN THE COMING WEEKS.
gota has earned his place in heaven for protecting SL from satan fonseka from hell.
Afghanistan 'unable to pay for troops for 15 years'
US needs to send 300,000 troops now, NOT 30,000! INCREMENTALISM will FAIL.
[On Sunday, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm Mike Mullen, bluntly told troops in Kentucky: "We are not winning, which means we are losing.
"As we are losing, the message traffic out there to [militant] recruits keeps getting better and better and more keep coming," he said. ]
US wants 400,000 Afghan troops by 2013. Why so long, and why so slow? They need 750,000 Afghan troops by then!
[But Mr Karzai warned that it would be a long time before Afghanistan would be able to pay the cost of maintaining its own army and police force, which the US wants to quadruple in size to 400,000 troops by 2013.
"We hope that the international community and the United States, as our first ally, will help Afghanistan reach the ability to sustain a force," he said.
"Afghanistan is looking forward to taking over responsibility in terms of paying for its forces and delivering to its forces with its own resources, but that will not be for another 15 years." ]
Only "Allegations" in Afghanistan, but Genocide for sure in Sri Lanka, according to the Western pundits now mired in Afghanistan. Hah!
[Local residents have protested against the civilian deaths, which they and provincial officials say number 12. One report suggests that at least one person was killed during a protest about the deaths, when Afghan soldiers fired into the air.
The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said its troops killed seven militants and detained another four after coming under hostile fire while pursuing a member of the Taliban responsible for suicide bombings in the area.
"We are aware of civilian casualty allegations, however there are no operational reports to substantiate those claims of harming civilians, including women and children, during this operation," said a spokeswoman, Capt Jane Campbell. ]
Is US pressure on Afghan Govt for action on corruption FINALLY getting results?
[On Tuesday, the mayor of Kabul, Abdul Ahad Sahebi, said he would appeal against a four-year prison sentence for corruption.
Mr Sahebi was found guilty in absentia on Monday of awarding a contract without opening it up to competition, and was ordered to repay $16,000 (£9,800) that was allegedly lost as a result.
But he told a news conference in Kabul that he was the victim of a plot by "powerful people".
It was the first conviction of a senior Afghan official since Mr Karzai came under international pressure to tackle corruption following his disputed re-election. ]
Moshe said ..
[ananda,
haste makes waste!!
my foot!!]
Moshe, brother,
A correction .. it should be "My Bloody Foot!" .. let's stick to Queen's English .. while we are at IT!
This is fun, isn't it?
Who's fighting? This is good old Jewish Family Debate!
Let's DANCE, shall we?
HAVA NAGILA!
Hava nagila
Let's rejoice
Hava nagila
Let's rejoice
Hava nagila vi nis'mecha
Let's rejoice and be happy
Hava neranenah
Let's sing
Hava neranenah
Let's sing
Hava neranenah vi nis'mecha
Let's sing and be happy
Uru, uru achim!
Awake, awake, brothers!
Uru achim b'lev sameach
Awake brothers with a happy heart
Uru achim, uru achim!
Awake, brothers, awake, brothers!
B'lev sameach
With a happy heart
Guys,
Please view this BBC News video on Afghanistan. Their stance on civilian deaths favourable to NATO, is in stark contrast their prejudiced attitude against the GOSL during the last Eelam war.
Double Standards Indeed! It is only a question of whose Ox is being GORED!
ananda,
i caught the foot IN mouth disease!!
(hope it was not too obvious) lol!
cheers.
More NATION BUILDING
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Section of Southern Expressway in Sri Lanka completed
ColomboPage News Desk, Sri Lanka.
December 11, 2009
A section of the Southern Expressway from Kottawa to Matara has been completed and opened for public travel, highway and road development authorities said.
Secretary to the Ministry of Highways and Road Development Admiral Wasantha Karannagoda opened the stretch from Kurundugahahetekma to Pinnaduwa of the highway following religious ceremonies.
The 126 km-long, 4-lane express highway from Colombo to Matara on the Southern coast is being constructed in two sections.
The 66.5 km-long first section from Kottawa to Kurundugahahetekma is financed by Japan Bank for International Corporation (JBIC).
The Asian Development Bank (ADB) funds the 59.5 km-long second section of the expressway from Kurundugahahetekma to Matara.
Work on the highway project launched under the Mahinda Chintanaya began in 2006 and it is expected to be completed by 2011 at a cost of $700 million (70 billion rupees).
When completed the expressway is expected to reduce the travel time between Colombo and Matara to about one and half hours.
the bear has been awoken.
remember obama went to oslo (norway) to collect the peace prize???
there was another thingy that happened a day b4 his visit.
as we are aware the BEAR is now showing off its muscle. russia runs long range strategic bomber patrols around the world especially over pro-US countries.
a day b4 obama's visit to norway, russia test fired a SSBM - BULAVA from a nuclear sub station CLOSE to norway. this is a nuclear capable missle. but obviously only the missle (the vehicle) was tested. it was tested OVER NORWAY!!
it created strange lights. its a 3 stage missle and it failed in the last stage sending the missle in a spiral. a spiral of unexplained lights were seen over the norwegian skies. for the first time the norwegian space agency was active on that day!!
although the ET hype died down, i'm 100% sure US defence experts take this WARNING VERY SERIOUSLY.
this missile has a range of 8,000+ km and why on earth was it tested on this day and why on eart was it planned to reach norwegian skies???
what if it crashed into norway when the third stage of the rocket failed???
what a way to receive the peace prize!!
Is this merely a case of HI-TECH fishermen using the latest fishing-boat technology commonly available in the West ... or is there more to it than that?
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Seized Sri Lankan boat was equipped with hi-tech gadgets
S. Vijay Kumar
It had fuel adequate for at least one month on sea
CHENNAI: The sophisticated fishing boat apprehended by the Indian Coast Guard off the Puducherry coast with five Sri Lankan fishermen on board was equipped with modern communication gadgets and radar.
According to sources in Central intelligence agencies, the fishing boat Dinusha Baby (Meril Marine) was located 35 nautical miles from Puducherry and was engaged in fishing in Indian waters. On seeing the Coast Guard Ship Vikram approaching, the boat tried to flee from the scene.
However, after a brief chase — braving poor visibility and rough sea conditions due to the cyclone in the area — the boat was apprehended for violation of Maritime Zone of India Act, 1981, and for fishing in Indian Economic Zone without permit. The boat was handed over to the Chennai Police for further investigation. The boat was similar to Win Marine, the Sri Lankan fishing boat that went missing with two sailors of the Indian Coast Guard on Wednesday night, the sources said.
According to Inspector-General of Coast Guard (Eastern Region) A. Rajasekhar, the fibre glass boat was “highly sophisticated,” equipped with Global Positioning System, radar and long-range wireless network capable of communicating worldwide. The boat had 2,500 litres of fuel, adequate to sustain on sea for at least one month. Presence of such boats close to the coast is a high security risk.
“We have apprehended about 60 Sri Lankan fishing boats in the last six months. The six boats apprehended on December 9 will be reaching Kakinada coast in Andhra Pradesh on Saturday night. It is moving slow because of rough weather conditions,” Mr. Rajasekhar said.
In a separate development, fishermen along the 44-km coast in northern Tamil Nadu have sought advanced communication facilities, particularly satellite phones.
Representatives of fishermen met Commissioner of Police T. Rajendran here on Saturday and said that their mobile phones or wireless communication sets were not active beyond a point in the sea.
Stating that they sailed nearly 60 km in the sea for fishing, the fishermen underlined the need for a control room to monitor the movement of fishing boats. They also sought an exclusive ‘helpline’ number to facilitate emergency relief and rescue operations.
“I am taking up the grievances of the fishermen with the Director-General of Police for appropriate action. We are looking into information given by them that some north Indians were residing in fishing hamlets. Intelligence inputs of fishermen along the coast are vital for policing,” Mr. Rajendran said.
Absolutely shocking to see SF accusing Shavindra Silva this way. Has this guy gone nuts? This A** hole does not seem to have any love for the people who fought with. He seem to be trying to drag every one down with him.
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“Later, I learnt that Basil had conveyed this information to the Defense Secretary Gothabaya Rajapaksa – who in turn spoke with Brigadier Shavendra Silva, Commander of the Army’s 58th Division, giving orders not to accommodate any LTTE leaders attempting surrender and that “they must all be killed.”
WHO are these "Sri Lankans" who took Indian Coast Guard hostage?
Has to be LTTE agents caught gun running or something!
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Update: Sri Lankan fishing vessel caught fire, Indian Navy says
ColomboPage News Desk, Sri Lanka.
December 12, 2009
[The vessel which ventured into the Indian waters took two Indian Coast Guard sailors hostage on Wednesday. The hostages were rescued by the Indian authorities yesterday.]
More on Hostage Taking "fishermen"
Something smells to high heaven!
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Search on for missing fishing crew
B. Muralidhar Reddy
COLOMBO: Sri Lanka on Saturday said its Navy, along with the Indian Navy, was engaged in search operations to rescue two of the five crew members of Wind Marine 8, a Sri Lankan fishing vessel which was apprehended on December 9 by the Indian Coast Guard.
The Foreign Ministry said the vessel was apprehended on December 9 by the Indian Coast Guard on suspicion of illegal fishing off the east coast of India. Some members of its crew reportedly over-powered two Indian Coast Guard sailors who were stationed on board to direct the boat to an Indian port.
“This act of overpowering and holding hostage the Indian Coast Guard sailors which occurred in the general area approximately 180 nautical miles north of Chennai, led to a situation of Indian Naval vessels being deployed in the vicinity,” it said.
The Foreign Ministry said the two Indian sailors had been set free but unfortunately adverse weather conditions developed in the area.
“The Sri Lanka Navy and the Indian Navy are now engaged in search operations, to rescue the crew of Wind Marine 8 from the serious difficulties the vessel appears to be encountering due to rough seas and heavy winds,” said the Ministry.
Separately, the Sri Lankan Navy said its commander, Vice-Admiral Thisara Samarasinghe, met representatives of fishing societies in Trincomalee and discussed matters relating to welfare measures extended to the fishing community and ways of further improving those to uplift their livelihood.
Ananda,
Is this merely a case of HI-TECH fishermen using the latest fishing-boat technology commonly available in the West ... or is there more to it than that?
If they had fuel good enough for months with a long-range wireless network capable of communicating worldwide and tried to flea away from Indian Navy, then this is highly suspicious. I hope that our intel is highly alert these days.
Ramadoss wants to split Tamil Nadu into two ... AGAIN!
Ramadoss first gained political notoriety in Tamil Nadu by agitating for a separate state for the "Vanniyar" community, who he believed passionately was not getting its fair share of Federal and State benefits. So, he demonized every other caste, and the North Indians.
Vanniyars live primarily in the Tri-State area straddling Northern Tamil Nadu, Southern Andhra Pradesh, and Eastern Karnataka. They consider themselves a warrior caste and, therefore, one little notch above ordinary people of Dravida Nadu.
Well, after all of his agitation failed to get either a separate Eelam in Sri Lanka, or himself re-elected to Congress, he has decided to resume his drive for a smaller, but infinitely more beautiful, Vanniyardom.
A Vanniyar kingdom in which he can REIGN in magnificient isolation without being polluted and politically checkmated by the rest of his fellow citizens in Tamil Nadu.
So, INSTEAD of dividing Sri Lanka in two, he now wants to DIVIDE Tamil Nadu in two!
More POWER to this Great Demagogue in his Magnificent Quest to empower his narrow community, I say!
As long as it keeps his eyes focused AWAY from Sri Lanka, I am all for it!
Old SEPARATISTS NEVER DIE, nor do they fade away!
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Ramadoss wants split TN
ExpressBuzz.com
December 13, 2009
CHENNAI: The Telangana upheaval has given the Pattali Makkal Katchi in Tamil Nadu a fresh reason to reiterate its demand for the bifurcation of the state.
Now was the time to “take up the matter again, as nobody would be able to oppose it,” said party founder-leader S Ramadoss on Saturday. “When I suggested the idea nearly ten years ago, various parties criticised me,” he told a press meet here, and took a dig at the “new fighters” who demanded the division of the state into north and south.
“Small is beautiful. The smaller states are doing very well,’’ he added. Dr Ramadoss urged the Centre to convene an all-party meeting to discuss similar bifurcation demands from the states, urging the government to be bold and prompt in its decisions.
Moshe, Golden Eagle, Diyasena,
India wants to build four vessels (Landing Platform Docks = LPDs) , each capable of transporting an entire battalion with their armored assets. Although this is a vessel with a different hull type, in function it is similar to the Catamaran Twin-Hulled HSV-X1 now being developed for the US Army, that I had pointed out earlier.
What is more interesting is that it has many of the capabilities I was proposing for the ATTACK HELICOPTER CARRIER for deep ocean patrolling by the Sri Lanka Navy. Let me quote ....
"It also has a flight deck for operating four medium helicopters simultaneously, apart from operating Vertical Take-Off and Landing (VTOL) aircraft such as Sea Harriers, which the Navy possesses, in special circumstances."
Clearly, Sri Lanka could be a target of such Indian troop landings in the future, so we have to be prepared to counter that possibility!
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Navy to build 4 amphibious warships
ExpressBuzz.com
December 13, 2009
NEW DELHI: Aiming at adding more teeth to its amphibious warfare capabilities, the Navy is planning to build four Landing Platform Docks (LPD) to join the fleet alongside INS Jalashwa, a US warship bought by India in 2007.
The Navy is already in the process of getting the design for the LPDs ready in the next year or two and will move the government for sanction to build these warships.
"The plan is to add four more LPDs to the fleet and these would operate alongside INS Jalashwa, the only LPD currently in service," a senior Navy officer told PTI here today.
"In the coming year or two, we are going to finalise the design for the LPD, which is somewhat akin to INS Jalashwa.
The government sanction for building these ships would be obtained next," he said.
INS Jalashwa -- a Sanskrit name for Hippopotamus -- is a replenishment and amphibious warfare ship with capacity to embark, transport and land a 1,000-men battalion along with equipment and tanks to support operations on enemy shores.
Being the second largest ship in the Navy inventory after aircraft carrier INS Viraat, Jalashwa is also capable of undertaking maritime surveillance, special operations, search and rescue, medical support as well as humanitarian aid.
Jalashwa was originally commissioned in the US Navy as USS Trenton and had served for 36 years when India bought it for USD 48.44 million and commissioned it in its Navy in June 2007.
After a refit programme at Norfolk, US, Jalashwa joined the Indian Navy service late in 2007 and is based under the Eastern Naval Command in Visakhapatnam.
Jalashwa became the first ship the US transferred to India. It is also the first LPD in the Indian Navy service.
Navy to build 4 amphibious warships
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"The need for such a landing transport amphibious warship was felt in December 2004 when Tsunami waves hit Indian coast including the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and southeast Asia," the officer said.
India had rushed its warships with medical aid and food to the countries hit by Tsunami, but an LPD, which could be converted into a multi-bed hospital, would have made a difference, they said.
"But more than that, LPDs provide the Navy strategic reach to operate far away from Indian shores and support amphibious warfare," they added.
Jalashwa also carries four mechanised landing craft and eight landing assault craft, which could be launched by flooding the ship's well deck, a speciality of LPDs. These craft could reach enemy shores and dock to deliver infantry and mechanised troops, tanks and equipment.
It also has a flight deck for operating four medium helicopters simultaneously, apart from operating Vertical Take-Off and Landing (VTOL) aircraft such as Sea Harriers, which the Navy possesses, in special circumstances.
Last February, Jalashwa had a gas leak on board in which five Navy personnel died and three were critically injured.
Disintegration of The Indian Federal Gulliver:
Big States into Small states,
Small states into Little states,
Little states into Minute states,
Minute states into Lilliputian, states ... and so on to ABSURDITY!
Until, there will be MORE tax-supported GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS running Liliputian states than than there are tax-paying CITIZEN worker-bees!
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'Telangana does not mean new states'
ExpressBuzz.com
December 12, 2009
KOLKATA: With the rising clamour of statehood demands from other parts of the country, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee said Saturday that the nod for Telangana did not mean that new states would be created everywhere.
Answering queries from reporters at a function in North 24 Parganas district, Mukherjee said the demand for Telangana was old and it "does not mean that everywhere new states are to be created".
He said Home Minister P. Chidambaram had indicated that there were several stages leading to formation of a state, and in the case of Telangana, developments were at a preliminary stage.
Mukherjee's response comes amid a flurry of statehood demands from across the country.
Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mayawati Friday demanded that her state be trifurcated into Bundelkhand and Harit Pradesh for better governance. She said she has written to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the issue.
The centre's decision to start the process of forming Telangana has stoked the dormant demands for statehood across the country, including Vidarbha, Gorkhaland, Bodoland, Harit Pradesh, Bundelkhand and Purvanchal.
While Rashtriya Lok Dal leader Ajit Singh has renewed his demand for Harit Pradesh, Congress MP Vilas Muttemwar has revived the demand for carving Vidarbha out of Maharashtra.
Faced with the growing clamour for new states, the Congress Friday accepted that lack of development in a region could be a reason for the demand for smaller states, but stressed that the party was against demands for new states being made for "political adjustment of leaders".
Congress spokesman Shakeel Ahmed also admitted that the rising demand for new states had increased the difficulties for the government, but said it would respond with a cool mind.
Hey, Hey! Wait a minute, Now!
Ramadoss wants the Southern part of Andhra Pradesh for a Vanniyar kingdom too!
According to Ramadoss, Telengana has to get behind him for their part!
I think we need to send some impartial mediators from Sri Lanka to sort this out for them!
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Division of Andhra not acceptable: Congress MP
ExpressBuzz.com
December 13, 2009
NEW DELHI: Vowing he would do anything for a united Andhra Pradesh, L. Rajagopal, a Congress MP from Vijayawada, Sunday said the division of the coastal state for a proposed Telangana would not be allowed.
"We will not allow the division of Andhra Pradesh. Why should Andhra be divided?" Rajagopal told reporters here.
Rajagopal and 130 legislators from the state assembly had submitted their resignations in protest against the central government's nod to creation of a separate Telangana state. A final decision on initiating the process of statehood has been apparently delayed.
"The situation in Andhra Pradesh is very disturbing," Rajagopal said voicing his concern.
"Now I have decided to join the movement (against division of the state). Hyderabad (which is proposed to be the capital of Telangana, when created) is the mother and the 22 districts of Andhra Pradesh are her children. We will not betray our mother," he said.
"I wish that peace prevails in the state and that Telugu-speaking people the world over and in Andhra Pradesh come and demonstrate their unity," the Congress MP said, adding he was proud to be working under the leadership of party president Sonia Gandhi.
"Army Commander Lieutenant General Jagath Jayasuriya has told his troops that they should be loyal to the organization and the Country and not individuals."
well said JJ.
Well, You guessed it ... Gokhalanders want a separate state too!
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Gorkhaland demand valid: Jaswant Singh
ExpressBuzz.com
December 11, 2009
NEW DELHI: A four-member Gorkha Janamukti Morcha (GJM) delegation alongwith Darjeeling Member of Parliament Jaswant Singh met Home Minister P. Chidambaram here Friday to press for creation of a separate state of Gorkhaland in northern West Bengal. The GJM has announced a four-day bandh and relay hunger strike in the hills, triggering an exodus of tourists from the region. Speaking to reporters at the end of the meeting, Jaswant Singh said he had assured the home minister that "peace will be maintained" during the bandh, but added that "people must give voice to their sentiments". He said the demand for Gorkhaland is the "oldest demand for separate statehood of any state carved out in the union of India". "I emphasized that this is not an attempt in any fashion to exploit the Telangana announcement or to ride piggyback on the Telangana situation," he said. "The people's aspiration in the Gorkhaland area were raised by the fact that Telangana was announced," he said. Singh said that Chidambaram did share "his understanding that there was a kind of sentiment in Gorkhaland hills that was excited by the announcement of Telangana". "I also mentioned that tripartite discussions (on Gorkhaland) due to be held on Dec 21 must be held in Darjeeling," he said. A four-member GJM delegation, led by its general secretary Roshan Giri, arrived in New Delhi Friday. They are also scheduled to meet Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, United Progressive Alliance (UPA) chairperson Sonia Gandhi, and opposition leaders L.K. Advani and Rajnath Singh of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).
Oh, No! Not, Jammu too!
Well, folks .. Jammu's infected too .. yup, Jammu wants a separate state.
India might as well revert back to the Princely States of the British Raj, and let them fight it out!
Not to worry, the Federal System can accommodate the separate aspirations of all of these people who after 63 years still don't feel that being an Indian citizen is not enough!
Not enough, you say! What a tragedy for Bharat-Mata!
Now we Sri Lankan Patriots see the wisdom of REJECTING the FLAWED advice of these people who can't build ONE Nation, of ONE people with ONE shared Destiny, even in their OWN country!
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Jammu group demands statehood for region
ExpressBuzz.com
December 12, 2009
JAMMU: With Telangana triggering a flurry of statehood demands across India, the Jammu State Morcha (JSM), an amalgam of groups demanding a separate state for the Jammu region, Saturday said it was time Jammu and Kashmir was reorganised.
"After the announcement of Telangana state out of Andhra Pradesh, we feel that it is high time that Jammu and Kashmir too is reorganized, and separate statehood status is conferred on the Jammu region," JSM chairman Virender Gupta told reporters here Saturday.
"This is a must, because there is nothing common - neither geography, language or culture - in the three regions of the state," Gupta said.
He was referring to the distinct features of Jammu and Kashmir - Buddhist-dominated Ladakh that is mostly desert and mountain terrain, the Muslim-dominated Valley that is a combination of plains and hills and Jammu the region, where the plains and the hills have a variety of populations of different religions and ethnicities and linguistic identifies, including Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and Kashmiri Pandits.
Gupta said before their demand takes "a new twist or turn", the central government should "wake up to the ground realities and requirements of the people and announce a separate state for Jammu region".
ananda,
india is in the midst of a dangerous disintegration rage. i hope this will stop. it doesn't sound right.
although these states will remain within india, the danger is "why can't SL do same" attitude that will become popular.
Mayawati Chief Minister, wants Uttar Pradesh, the biggest Indian State to be divided into three parts: Uttar Pradesh, Bundelkhand and Harit Pradesh!
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Maya for trifurcation of Uttar Pradesh
ExpressBuzz.com
December 11, 2009
LUCKNOW: In a surprise move that could give the centre some more sleepless nights, Uttar Pradesh chief minister Mayawati Friday declared her outright preference for further partition of UP and creation of independent states of . "I have written a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, urging him to give clearance for carving out independent states of Bundelkhand and Harit Pradesh out of a giant sized and unmanageable Uttar Pradesh," Mayawati told a hurriedly convened press conference here Friday evening. "Since the centre has already given its nod for carving out the state of Telangana out of Andhra Pradesh, there was good enough reason to follow the same exercise in case of UP, where the demand for an independent Bundelkhand in southern UP and a Harit Pradesh in western UP was being raised for a long time," she said. While political observers felt that the move was aimed at creating greater discomfort for the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government at the centre already grappling with the gradually increasing demand for statehood from different corners of the country, Mayawati sought to justify her demand by impressing that she had had these views for long. "I was always in favour of smaller states as they are much simpler to govern," she said adding: "These views have been expressed by me on several occasions in the past as well." The UP chief minister said: "In the past too, on March 15, 2008, I had sent a letter to the prime minister, urging him to consider the demand of the people of Bundelkhand and of western UP for giving them independent statehood." She said: "Still earlier on October 8, 2007, I had expressed these view at a Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) rally in Lucknow." According to her: "My party legislators too had formally raised this demand on the floor of the state assembly on October 31, 2007... therefore, it was now time for the centre to act." Asked if she would move a resolution in this regard in the state assembly, Mayawati shot back: "Well, I would do so once the centre has given its approval in principle." Meanwhile, in an appeal to the people of these two regions, she has urged them "not to indulge in any activity that is likely to disturb law and order in the state." She, however, assured to "extend full support to the popular demand of the people".
ananda,
the landing craft development is an interesting piece of news. we have to co-operate with india and other powers in the region.
india and china are certainly into a major arms race, especially their navies.
Moshe said ..
[india is in the midst of a dangerous disintegration rage. i hope this will stop. it doesn't sound right.]
Yes, you are right. This is a dangerous time for India, and these attitudes can come home to impact Sri Lanka too.
I think they are despairing of containing the Maoist violence which is spreading fast like a wildfire.
They think that it is because the government is too remote and unresponsive. But proliferation of bureaucracy is the WRONG REMEDY.
Instead of setting up a responsive government with enlightened social policies, and firmly mainyaining law and order, they will remain bleeding hearts and think that additional devolution through government bureaucracies is the answer.
With such a mindset, bureacracy will proliferate until it becomes impossible for the common man to get ahead by his own efforts, because he has a massive government apparatus controlling and limiting all his freedoms.
In one sense, they are reaping what they sowed in not educating ALL OF THEIR PEOPLE and in not dismantling CASTE & ETHNICITY BASED SYSTEMS sooner with more dedication. The suppressed underclass is now agitating, and they have no solutions, except to give whatever is demanded without thought for the future of the nation.
This proliferation of states is an indication of insular selfish thinking in which each community jockeys for its share without any feeling of kinship towards all other communities that form the fabric of the wonderful country that India is, and can be even greater in the future. These are largely small men with narrow visions of the future.
In Sri Lanka we avoided these illiteracy and caste traps, thanks largely to the prevalence of Buddhist values that supported equal opportunity for all, irrespective of poverty, caste, race, or religion.
Political discontent over Telangana swells
ExpressBuzz.com
December 11, 2009
NEW DELHI/HYDERABAD: Battling a swell of political discontent on the Telangana decision, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today stepped in to do damage control as resignations mounted and violence marred a bandh in coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions.
Three more MPs - S P Y Reddy of Congress (LS) and K Narayana Rao and Nandamuri Harikrishna from TDP (RS) - resigned today as the number of MLAs quitting the post went up to 130 which included D Venkateswara Rao, husband of Union Minister Purandeswari.
Singh received MPs from non-Telangana regions opposed to the division of the state and is said to have assured them that "nothing will be done in haste".
The MPs, including Ministers Pallam Raju, conveyed to the prime minister the "mood" of the people for a "united" Andhra Pradesh and that there was a "tremendous backlash" against the decision separate Telangana decision. The MPs also met Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee and Home Minister P Chidambaram to convey their opposition to the Telangana plan.
Even as tensions rose in the state, Union Home Secretary G K Pillai waded into controversy saying that Hyderabad "will always be the capital of Telangana", remarks that created an uproar in Andhra Pradesh and among non-Telangana leaders.
He beat a hasty retreat when he retracted the statement saying that was the demand of Telangana protagonists and that a decision would be taken on the basis of a political consensus and by the government.
The Home Ministry issued a clarification saying Pillai did not say Hyderabad would be the capital of Telangana but that was what the Telangana protagonists wanted.
The resignation fever spread to various levels of political pyramid like panchayat ward members, sarpanches, mandal parishads and municipal bodies cutting across party lines.
Of the 130 MLAs, 76 belonged to Congress, 40 to TDP and 14 to PRP. Leaders of these parties also plan to begin relay hunger fasts from tomorrow.
Speaker Kiran Kumar Reddy said in the Assembly that he would take a decision on their resignation only after ascertaining whether it was done under duress or out of their own volition.
Facing the brunt of the non-Telangana anger in Congress, TDP and Praja Rajyam, Chief Minister K Rosaiah said in Hyderabad the resolution favouring a separate state would be moved in the Assembly at an "appropriate time" and he does not not have answers to questions on the time-frame for the purpose.
"I have been told by Union Home Minister P Chidambaram that they would advise me at an appropriate time for moving the Telangana resolution. So far I have not not got any written or oral order on moving a resolution," Rosaiah told reporters in Hyderabad.
Political discontent over Telangana swells
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Announcing the Centre's decision on Wednesday night, Home Minister P Chidambaram had said that the process for the formation of Telangana would be initiated and a resolution would be moved in the Andhra Pradesh Assembly.
On the MLAs resignation, Rosaiah told reporters that he was worried over it. But the resignations had not been accepted and the Congress has got a system to deal with such things.
He dismissed a suggestion that he has lost majority in the Assembly saying first of all the resignations have not been accepted so far and legislators from other parties have also resigned.
Rosaiah said the Congress leaders in New Delhi were trying to find out a suitable solution and resolve the crisis.
He indicated that he was thinking of reconstituting the Legislators Committee to look into the Telangana issue, which was constituted by the late chief minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy with him as the head.
The day-long bandh called by various political parties in coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions paralysed life in these regions and was marked by violence in some places.
The shutdown was peaceful and complete in the coastal city of Vijayawada while in Krishna district activists of Congress, TDP and Prajay Rajyam held protests in several towns and villages.
In the other big city of Andhra Pradesh, Visakhapatnam, a group of Andhra University students launched a fast unto death. TDP chief N Chandrababu Naidu appealed to people to remain peaceful.
In the Rayalaseema region, unidentified assailants set afire a post office at Kadapa in which documents and papers were burnt.
Bus depots were attacked at Yerraguntla and Kadapa, while a bus reservation centre was damaged at Pulivendula.
Protesting against the division of the state, several persons climbed cell phone towers and water tanks at Kadapa, Jammalamadugu and Proddutur and threatened to jump down, police said. They were, however, persuaded to climb down by police.
Leaders and workers of Congress and TDP, students and advocates held rallies at Kadapa, Rayachoty, Yerraguntla and Pulivendula.
Trains were halted at Kadapa, Kodur, Obulavaripalle and Kondapuram. Rayalaseema Express, Mumbai-Chennai Express were among the trains that were stopped by the agitators.
Shops and other business establishments were closed voluntarily and the agitators forced the closure of banks and government offices in Kadapa district.
In the temple town of Tirupati in Rayalaseema, the agitators set afire two buses, police said.
In Kurnool district, protesters pelted stones at the APSRTC buses at several places like Adoni and reservation RTC centres, police said. Five cases were registered in connection with the incidents.
Ananda aiya and Moshe,
Creating small autonomous regions wont disintegrate India..It will probably strengthen it...Look at Russia with all its Respubliks, Orkugs and Oblasts..This way any seperatism can be effectively targeted and managed, especially when you have a strong army..And these little states will be too weak to survive on their own..But when their is only a few relatively large states (i.e. the 15 soviet republics)disintegration can happen quite quickly..
Therefore if we are ever doing 13+ it should be for the districts, not for province or regions..
Ananda Aiya,
You are right..Sri Lanka can one day be a definite target of India's amphibian fleet..However we cannot realistically hold naval and air pairty for more than a few days in a conflict situation..We should let them land and then hit them, with our large well trained army..As I said in defencewire when we do such strategic planning we should consider moving the capital and vital institutions inland..And defintely we need to upgrade our radar and surveillance capacity..
I felt my heart sank in a barrel of nitric acid when I heard about PLA and the plane carrying weapons to Sri Lanka. I was relieved that the plane was not heading for Sri Lanka.
SF is in the race to win it. Not to spoil it. He is giving all the indications that he would not abolish executive presidency.
For example he was promising prelates that he would look after "sasana". If he were to give up the executive presidency how could he promise that? If his real intention is to abolish executive presidency only promise he can give is to abolish the presidency.
Giving all these promises and promising abolition of presidency could logically mean only one thing; Dictatorship. This is a real threat.
The rape accusation has not still been shown to have a solid foundation although illicit affair has almost been confirmed. Regardless this, his presidency could bring island wide trauma to people of all groups.
If the rape case were true then this threat is even more significant. People who hurt most vulnerable are cowards. Cowards with Milky Way size ego can easily turn into despots when a gun is handed over to them. As it seems the only significant factor of choosing him to lead the Army is his ruthlessness, if he becomes President it will spell disaster for Sri Lanka.
On principle while advocating pursuit of military solution with full heart and might when the military solution has become the only viable humane option I condemn torture of prisoners and surrendered terrorist just for the sake of revenge. Doing so is just admission of weakness and we sink ourselves to the level of the terrorist. As a principle surrendered terrorist should be produced in front of law since we seek justice and not revenge. Nevertheless I am aware of the danger of such a principled approach with regard to terrorists like VP, especially in an international environment supported by Opposition parties such as SF, UNP and JVP.
Carnival has not begun yet. It would really begin after 17th of December. I hope for the sake of the country itself, the Government will expose the true nature of the SF threat against the Country.
I cannot see how SF can make it since as it seems I do not see any reason why even for a considerable fraction of UNP and JVP should vote for him. ONLY the hard crust of the loyal UNPers and JVPers will vote for him but this is just an opinion based on some psychological assumptions of voter behaviour. This can be changed by materialistic needs. Maybe I am too optimistic.
I was a little reluctant to post in this blog for the reason that I do not want to invade other people's spaces and disturb their activity. It was different with DW since it was run by someone else other than the prominent bloggers here. I hope that you would understand my reluctance as a show of respect for other people opinions. I do not want to post here if I am seen as an uninvited and imposing guest.
Thank you!
Swarnajith Udana
Is the creation of a separate Telugu-speaking state of Telengana in the western part of Andhra Pradesh, spawning a slew of additional demands for partition of existing states into additional new states, an ELECTION GUNDU by Sonia Ghandhi to win 2014 Raj Sabha Elections?
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Sonia’s 2014 vision for son?
GS Vasu
ExpressBuzz.com
December 12, 2009
HYDERABAD: What are the factors that Congress chief Sonia Gandhi would have considered before giving the nod for Wednesday’s midnight announcement in favour of creating a separate Telangana State? If party insiders are to be believed, it was not so much to placate fasting TRS leader K Chandrasekhara Rao as to ensure the Congress gets a good number of Lok Sabha seats in 2014 polls when Rahul Gandhi intends to assume the high office.
‘‘I have taken the decision in national interest,’’ Sonia reportedly told worried party MPs from the coastal region who called on her in the last couple of days. National interest should be read as Rahul becoming prime minister.
Now that YS Rajasekhara Reddy is no more, Sonia would not be oblivious to the fate of the Congress in the next polls. Though a good administrator, Chief Minister K Rosaiah is no mass leader and the chances of Congress doing even reasonably well are bleak, forget retaining 33 MPs that it currently has.
Given this scenario, Sonia seems to think separation is the best course. Chandrasekhar Rao has already declared that the TRS would merge with the Congress whenever the State is created and that would help her win a majority of the 19 MP seats in Telangana, she feels. Thanks to its flip-flop, the Telugu Desam, which first favoured separation only to retract now, would see its base eroded in the region.
On the other hand, leaders of the coastal region, who are opposing separation, are also blaming the TDP for the current situation. Their logic is that the Congress would not have come forth with such a statement but for the Telugu Desam’s earlier support for separate Telangana and they may not take kindly to the manner in which Chandrababu Naidu handled the whole issue.
As far as coastal region is concerned, Sonia appears to be banking on the support of Chiranjeevi’s Praja Rajyam, which like the TRS, would be more than willing to merge with the Congress.
Apart from all this, the Congress chief believed that separating the State would also silence a section of the Congress which continues to harbour the hope that some day YSR’s heir, Jagan Mohan Reddy, would be made the chief minister. But, where Sonia has apparently gone wrong is the timing -- doing it around midnight -- and without preparing her own partymen about what she intends to do. And that’s the reason for the reaction which has come in the form of resignations and bandhs giving one the feeling that the State would be split in a month or two. However, that is unlikely to happen and the Congress chief would buy as much time as possible to time T close to the 2014 polls and the period from now till then would be utilised to set up commissions and address the grievances of people of coastal and Rayalaseema.
Whether the plan works as she expects is anybody’s guess. Given this scenario, Sonia seems to think separation is the best course. Chandrasekhar Rao has already declared that the TRS would merge with the Congress whenever the State is created and that would help her win a majority of the 19 MP seats in Telangana, she feels. Thanks to its flip-flop, the Telugu Desam, which first favoured separation only to retract now, would see its base eroded in the region.
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